serious trouble

Journal Entry: 10 hours ago

Previously known as ladykix  ladykix

FWA funds: ---/$130

Jason and I have been put in jail. I am not going into detail on why.

I am currently on pre-trial release right now. Jason is still in jail. We're probably looking at a long time in jail. We have been put on no contact, though, so I can't talk to him. If I do, I get put right back in jail.

I am going to do everything in my power to finish the commissions I owe before I go to jail. If we had a magic card trade and you haven't sent the cards, just forget about it.

Please do not rush me on your commission. I am so messed up right now that I won't be able to take it but I assure you that I will be working as hard as I can for you. I'm moving to West Palm since I'm not allowed to see Jason, so art upload will be slow. I have my sidekick though so I can answer to comments.

This is NOT a joke or anything. And please don't pity me.

Email is
If you need me.
Gift and commission account: kit-n-kaboodle  kit-n-kaboodle
456 comments

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  jangofett777
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  was whatever the reason your going to jail really that bad?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  4 felonies and 1 misdemeanor. He got the same thing.

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  jangofett777
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  wow, well that really sucks for you.

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  shaddevil
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  4? And you did that all at the same time? O.o;

Yikes...I don't really want to know what it was...just,
are you in a 3-Strikes-State? And if yes, does it count as
one strike when one is convicted for several felonies at once
or would it still be considered "1"?

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  darklathia
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Florida is on a point system. So it depends. I have a friend who is an officer. I hope it isn't that bad.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Oh hey nice find.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I got it from a Furry drama LJ community. lol

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  SHOCKERS.

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Dick move right there. She said she wasn't going to go into details, and you really shouldn't have informed anyone of it either. I'm reporting this to be removed. Respect someones privacy next time.

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  unrealdagger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Yeah, protect the criminal's privacy even though it's all over the news. Idiot.

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Be that as it may, I'm sure plenty of people would not have known about the details had the link not been posted.

You're the one not thinking on all grounds. Perhaps it is you who is the real idiot. There is no need to drag someones mistakes and trash any privacy they might still hold onto.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  It's not private anymore when the news is reporting it. Correct speculation had already been made in these comments, and the story was linked on LiveJournal. She also uses actual names in the journal.
Dick move? Perhaps. But then, I never said I wasn't a bitch. :)

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  geminifoxx
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Dick move? Welcome to the internet, bro.

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  tifreak8x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  ._.

*hugs tight*

I.. I really don't know what to say. T_T

If you need an ear or a friend, I am here..

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  kaix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  :shakes head:wow all the same thing?

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  ferret926
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I dont wanna sound like a dick, but why were you put in jail?

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  furrypeace
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Same, lol

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  This I...we wish to know.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  ferret926
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  is this what they did o-o?

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Yep. The people referred to in the article are the OP and her boyfriend.

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  ferret926
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Wow :\

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Really? You didn't have to post this. It's honestly none of your business.

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  lazerhyena
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It's kind of anyone's business who wants to be bothered to look it up. These sorts of records are public and accessible to anyone who goes looking.

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Only cause people like to snoop so much that they made such things available. Despite the availability, it is still none of their damn business. Nothing you or anybody can/will say can change my mentality on this subject.

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  lazerhyena
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't care if you change your mind or not, but you might as well get your panties out of a knot because people will talk about it and it will spread like wildfire. I've already seen the news all over my LJ friends pages. Getting defensive and telling people that a crime perpetrated in the public eye is no one's business.. well that's just silly and you're only going to wear yourself out getting mad at people for doing what people do, being curious. *shrugs*

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  rottenmeats
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You best write the news paper and tell them its no ones business too then.

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  ashleyashes
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I think it's everyone's buisness once you make the news.

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  uc
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  hay that's a damn fine point there ashleyashes....yet now i need an opinion from you.

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  snarkyfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I think it's peoples business when a vague ass journal is written, peeks everyone's curiosity, and then OP won't talk about shit. If you don't want people to know about it, DON'T BRING IT UP!

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  She brought it up in a public forum, making it everyone's business. The news article is public accessible. If she didn't want people to know her issues, then she shouldn't have opened her dumb mouth. She could have contacted her commissioners discretely.

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  lysanderxx
 

(No Subject) Posted: half-an-hour ago

  So you thought it was your duty to tell everyone just becasue she mentioned it to a few people? And what the heck do you mean by "dumb mouth?" Seriously, you are the one who is less than intelligant by being so foolish to do this thing. You have no right to judge. You have no right to suddenly determine everyone should know everything wrong in someone's life.

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  feverdog
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I was wondering that same question.

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  darkpaw
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  4 felonies holy shit

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  That sounds really severe. Could you give any hint as to what the felonies are? Like thievary, car related, etc

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Huh.... that sucks. I'm sorry if I sound a little uncouth, but when I say that sucks, that normally equates to me being at a loss for words longer than 4-5 letters.

I wish you the best, and like everyone else I'm dying to know why, but I'm not gonna post a million comments asking why.
Good luck, don't drop the soap.

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  riskyfrisky
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Good lord...I don't know what to say...I wish you the best of luck.

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  riskyfrisky
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Well, Marijuana can do it.

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  lollazer
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  i am at a complete loss of words, i really dont know what to say =( kind of the same situation as Yaoi_Vixen_Boi right now...
good luck though, i wish you the best!

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  kipper0308
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  God Speed.

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  darklathia
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I guess fwa is off then

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  mishie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  im wondering what stuff you did to be put in jail for so long O_O but its none of my bee's wax so im not pushing it. i just hope things get better for you

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  wulfshade
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Well, jail will be an experiense. Something to tell people about. Hopefully the sentence ain't gonna be long.

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  fmr
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  As if I didn't think things could get any worse... Terrah, if you need someone to talk to, call me.

No pity; best luck. Jim's here for you, for whatever it's worth, and whether you need me or not.

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  teahound
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  =< I hope everything turns out not-too terribly...

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  x-steelfoot-x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I don't know what happened, and I don't care to know what happened, but I really hope that you are both acquitted of all charges, or failing that, acquitted of at least a few of them and don't have to spend too much time in jail.

I'mma miss talking to you. :< I dunno if hugs are okay with you, but I feel like I owe you one.

Please take care of yourself.

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  x-steelfoot-x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Also, I really hope that saying this doesn't bite me in the ass, but if you need some sort of help (emotionally, not financially; I have no money) I'm here.

Please be safe.

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  riss
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  What... How... I'm uncertain what to say to this... Good luck sorting this out.

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  tyrackwolfii
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Dude...

I don't care about what you guys did... I just hope you guys get through this ok.

Keep your head up and learn from your mistakes. That's really all I can say... take care now.

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  thesi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Do you deserve them at least?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Partly, yes. I think they hit me a little too hard on some of the charges... they were really rude. It seems as if they base their charges on their own opinion regardless of what we say. They asked us questions and listened to us, but they didn't hear us if that makes sense. I will probably get jail time if they don't go easy on me, but Jason's going to get hit way hard. Our county does not play around.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I honestly don't think it should be a crime...

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Neither do I. It's bullshit.

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  ainoko
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Hopefully you will be able to tell us what went down after things cool off.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  While I don't think it should be illegal, it is. And you and your boy are reallllly stupid for housing a production line where you live and then basically leading the police to it.
These are the consequences. It's not as though they are some sort of secret, either. You risked it, you got caught.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Though it's likely too late, if it's anything more severe than a ticket (especially felony territory as you stated), you should not tell the cops ANYTHING until you are able to meet with your lawyer.

There is nothing you can tell the cops that will improve the situation. Talking always hurts you. The cops aren't friends, they have no interest in helping you in situations such as this.

That being said, I wish you luck.


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  rottenmeats
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Pretty much this.

If you're under 18, you say you need your parents there. Legally, they need to be there, but cops will break the rules. Once you hit 18, you call lawyer. They can't question you till one gets there. Then the lawyer slaps your hand and tells you when to talk.

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  mikau
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Jeez, that's quite a scare to be put in jail. I do hope you'll be acquitted of all (or most) charges levied to you.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe, MAYBE, I might get acquitted, or something but no way for Jason. I really wish he could get off easy, but it looks bad and I'm not getting my hopes up.

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  mikau
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Still, it's a great big scare to you, I'd imagine, and this is going to mar your clean record for life. :/ That erally sucks that had to happen to you two.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe, MAYBE, I might get acquitted, or something but no way for Jason. I really wish he could get off easy, but it looks bad and I'm not getting my hopes up.

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  ivory-raven
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Are you actually guilty of it?

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  archekruz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Woah holy shit!

How long would the sentence be most likely?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I really have no idea but I've been told a lot of things. Probably a few years. We're probably going to lose the house, his business, everything.. He already lost the car.

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  ladymissie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  What the hell did you two do?

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  My guess is this has to do with someone's age.

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  unless there's someone else involved she shouldn't be in trouble

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  ^^ You'd be surprised.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  You're way off. They weren't happy when they heard about our age difference though.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Well, I'm not privy to details. :) Good to hear it's not statutory rape.

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  kashmirdreams
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  age is just a number x.x and love is blind

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  In certain situations.
:|

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  ...Justice is blind, too. The law doesn't really care about intent, and say AJ here wasn't really 19. The courts frown on that.

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  kashmirdreams
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  this is true, and ive even seen it where parents dont want to file charges and the court goes forward anyway. But, as of 18 shes an adult, reguardless of the age of her boyfriend. My best friend is 26 and her husband is 45.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Yes, and that's why I said I was glad it wasn't statutory rape.

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Not when it's 50 year old man and a 14 year old girl

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  60 and 12 bro


WHACHU KNO BOUT DAT

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  yiffchiyo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Exactly X3

I'm 21 and my mate is 30 X3 nothing wrong with that

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  skimike
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I hope that things work out for you. If you wish to talk or I can help out in some way, you know how to get in touch.

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  furrypeace
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Wow, I hope you work things out! Wish I could help.

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  sissiesque
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Wow, Terrah. ): I can't begin to imagine what happened, but I hope it turns out... well? From what I've heard in the comments of this journal, I think I might know what it's about. I'm sorry that this is happening. ):

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  sissiesque
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Thanks for the info, Zip. :) Despite her being totally stupid, I think I'm still going to give her support.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I understand. :D
I just wanted you to know what is going on. We posted at CG'z novice too. Because this will end in the site being put down, most likely.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Actually it probably won't...

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Jason pays for it. And the people using it now will most likely not step in to pay.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  I'll be taking care of his business and stuff if need be, so the money will still be there to fund the site.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  awesome, but don't support what you don't have to. :)

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  kenku
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Awww nuts, and that was going to be such a good deal...ah well. Good luck Anja, hope stuff turns around for ya soon!

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  blue-paper
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  O_O oh geez that sucks
I know you won't go into detail, and I won't pry, so I don't know the conditions to it, but I do hope that things clear up and everything gets better :C

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  ivory-raven
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I'm not really familiar with the legal system; how bad is this? I know it's possible you could do some time, but how much?

I'm not going to ask what happened, but I hope you know that you've got a friend in me if you need it, though I'm sure you can do much better than me.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  redpendragoniii
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Hope Jason doesn't get it to bad and if he does gets the book thrown at him. I hope he doesn't drop the soap.

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  fmr
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  You're a fucked up person, you know that?

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Why should he have any pity for someone who has been smacked with 4 felonies and a misdemeanor?

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Cause it Shouldn't b Brought up, It'z None of your Business an Nobody knowz the Situation....

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Learn2Spell before you reply to me, thank you.

Every word doesn't need to be capitalized, mind you

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Good effort Suggestion Boy....

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  aden
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  plz2be researching what a "proper noun" is

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Get outta That Tree Arnie....

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  First sign that you're losing an argument, when you point out grammar mistakes.
Also, it really isn't anybody's business besides theirs and the police.

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  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  it seems everyone's business now, considering everyone talking about it now and the indirect explanations of them o_O

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Meant with the Trollz, I agree that We're left in the Dark, but I think she Just gave a Head'z up about Commissionz, FWA, an Such....

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Yes, but that's not going to stop people from asking and being nosy, and neither are you.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Oh no, I don't Care wat She did, That'z her own Business....

I just Consider it Lame when Somebody makez a Jail/Soap comment Then some Reject bringz up Feloniez an Such just 2 Argue....

She haz nothing 2 Gain but a House, Cat, an a Lotta other Crap 2 Lose....

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  We know you are black but damn



NIGGA THIS AINT MYSPACE

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I LOLD

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Wat the Fuck doez Myspace Have 2 do with BET?

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  cUz NaWhaTIm SaYiN

bLAck PpL NeEd RePaRaTinz

fO ReEl DoUgH

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Yeah, wat She Said....

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  farellemoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  This.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I came.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Thanks IC

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  arcturuskalentrishima
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Lurk moar.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I'm Just respondin 2 Repliez....

Think Moar....

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  arcturuskalentrishima
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Easy. Eaaaaaaasy.

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  kaix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  1.Its called a joke, learn to take them
2.Hes probably being serious, that shit honest to god happens.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I don't find the joke funny since he's talking about my brother.

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  calleemcborder
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Sounds like your brother has some things he needs to sort through in his life, regardless of your relative defense. I know if my brother got caught up in something like this, I'd be telling him not to drop the soap. And some other things.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Personally I don't see anything wrong with weed and believe it should be legal more so then alcohol. You never hear of a pothead getting high and beating someone to death....

He does need to sort out his life, but if you had to go through the shit he and his family (Myself included) had to in the last year who knows how you would deal with it.

I also would not wish rape on anyone, guess that shows your color and your feelings towards humanity.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I've watched plenty of people get high and get into fist fights. I've heard of some that end in death.
As well as yelling matches, and throwing stuff around.

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I just want to point out that the expression 'don't drop the soap' does not wish rape on someone. It's saying, 'hey, here's something you can do to AVOID being raped'.
But whatever.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Not high on weed, if so it would have to be their personality doing it and not the drug itself. Weed mellows people out it does not agitate them. If so it was most likely laced with something more hard core.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Nevertheless, it -is- illegal to grow, and your brother should have known better at his age. "I wish it were legal" isn't the same as "there's no way I can get in trouble for it".

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Tell that to my friend who has malformed knuckles, because she was unable to control her anger while on pot. I used to smoke too. I left for a reason.
It will remain a gateway drug unless legalized, due to sellers wanting more money.

It will also remain an unsafe substance unless legalized due to other substances being added to make a 'more fulfilling high'.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You are correct. I took it the wrong way, guess dealing with this just after my dad's death makes my mind a bit weak.
Honestly thanks for pointing out my error. I believe I took his/her comment the wrong way.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  This is true, can't argue with that. At any rate the legalization of weed is a different topic all together.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Exactly. :)

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  My best friend in high school was emotionally, verbally, and sometimes physically abused by her pothead mother. It was a very sad situation.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  But I do agree about legalization. Stuff like this shouldn't send people to jail. Alcohol/tobacco are just as bad and still perfectly legal. It's just wasting time, jail space, and money.

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Yes, as long as it's not abused... Everything can be bad if it's in excess....

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Indeed.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Pffff, I said that an hour before he did and you're yelling at him for it?
It's true though.

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  ainoko
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I have you in my prayers Kix. I pray that nothing bad heads your way

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Good luck - get a good lawyer I guess. All I can really say is if it's all about the durgs - come to CA man, they won't lock you up for life for that sort of thing.

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  mizumi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Oh man, that's tough! I hope you all get out alright, if you want someone to talk to or to hang out with, if you can, I'll be there for you. Just shoot me a text or call me anytime. I'll only be a short drive away soon.

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  mabarial
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Maybe you should have buried him a little deeper. :x

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  therealist
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Whatever happened, I hope it's not severe enough to land you and Jason on the Five O'Clock News. People have a hard time getting their lives back in order after something like that

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  jingx1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  You two, get out of jail. Quick. >:(
My best wishes to you, and that time passes quickly.

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Man that sucks

Government amirite

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  aquingator
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I was given this journal link by someone else. I would highly advise getting a good lawyer. Did they give you your rights? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the charges and the jail time are the least of your worries.

You may already know this by now, but if you are convicted/acquitted of whatever charges they placed, it is rebuilding your life after the fact that will be hell.

From what it sounds like to me this is a "could" situation, they may choose to drop the charges.

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  yiffchiyo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  o.O Fuck.... that really sucks hun. I hope its for what i think it's for and not something else :c

I let orangy know that you guys won't be able to make it to con.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Yeah u Need a Lawyer, If u Both get the Same U'll have a Better Chance....

The Lawyer can Contact him, an If it'z a Non-Violent Crime u Should b Fine....

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  kalemika
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  wow, this sucks. good luck. stay safe.

i don't have anything more intelligent to say than that.

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I have no idea what you've done, so I'm not going to give you all my sympathies (Not to sound like a bitch, it's just that ANYTHING could have gone on, from littering to murder, and you never know what it could be. Also not saying you murdered someone, but yeah hope someone understands. x_x), but I do hope everything regarding trials and such goes smoothly. Trials are such a hassle.
I DO wish you luck on getting everything sorted out before and afterward, though. That kinda stuff is hard. :/

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  orangy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I'm really sorry to hear this, it would have been really fun to meet you at FWA! I wish you both the best of luck! Don't feel bad about FWA, it happens. I wish I knew you were the other friends coming so we could have talked a bit. :D

Again good luck, dont feel bad.

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  yiffchiyo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  :C I told Kiba tons of times that it was AJ coming >_< musta not passed it on D:

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  What the fuck did you do, PK?!

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  my wild guess is it involves some unstable herbs

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Lot of that going around.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  there have been some recent crack downs :P i dont know what state thou, so im clueless.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Florida. A shit state to get caught in.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Do you have the cats?

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  mabarial
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  My first thought was Dorito, though I'm sure she's already taken care of that.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I have my own cat but I left Kitty because they told me Jason would be released.. I left him tons of food and water just in case. I thought Jason would like to have Kitty around since I won't be around.... my mom can take him if she needs to, but he was really upset.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Jason said Kitty is gone... That's why I asked... He's home now, I'm going to stay there when my mom and I come to visit until shit is taken care of...

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Ok, he found Kitty... Guess he was just hiding really good

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  catldr24
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  If you need help with anything, you call me. Please.

I won't pity. I'm not going to pry. But I will worry.

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  christykitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Holy shit, >.<
I.. am at loss at what to say, jesus christ. I really hope you don't go to jail and you are aquitted.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.
If you are able to, please, keep up to date.
We will miss you incredably if you are put away.
You have my best wishes and concerns for you.
Please, be safe.

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  suna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Step 1: Find Monopoly.

Step 2: Take 2 "Get out of jail free" cards.

Step 3: Give to police.

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  greenhatmatt
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  DAMNIT I won 10$ in a beauty contest instead.

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  hyenagirl
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Actually on the back of the AAA Gold membership card, it also doubles as a get out of jail free card. FOR REAL. $1,000 bail for regular crime and up to $5,000 bail for automobile related. One more reason to get a AAA membership.

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I don't pity people, and if what you two did landed you with 4 misdemeanors and a felony, you certainly won't have it. You're both adults.

I am however quite curious as to what exactly got you into this rather severe situation, especially considering some of the comments in here. I would request you tell us, not to use against you, but as a lesson in wisdom to those who might also be doing the same thing. And, again, I'm curious. I have no problem admitting that.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Wow. ...That's all I can say.

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Thank you. That was my guess, actually. I appreciate it.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Lol Wow....

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  blazen
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Ah. Yeah, there's not gonna be much pity there.

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  She's not asking for pity only understanding that the commissions will take longer.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Why mention anything other than that some personal stuff is going on and commissions will take longer as a result? Posting this to the whole world kind of seems to be begging for attention/pity

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Eh, I can see it. Who would know if she was just making something up? People are less likely to understand about commissions if you have a vague excuse, as well. If I were caught up in some serious shit, I'd probably post a journal saying 'I am in some serious shit, brb' too.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Personally I don't mention anything as you can see from my journal here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1204765/

However, if it was something that happened to me I'd probably just give all the details because I don't give a fuck what people thing about me. I just get defensive when it comes to friends and family.


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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I can understand that, but it's not what the initial impression is from her journal.

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  kyomana
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  OH LOL.

This is REALLY funny to me and I have no idea why.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  What county are you in?
Man, I really hope you're okay and you two get through this.

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  snobahr
 

(Have you learned anything from this?) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Growing pot in your own home. Bad idea.
Cultivating a pot farm, in your own home, bad idea.
Growing pot in any tangible quantity in a state that doesn't take kindly to recreational drug use anyways, very bad idea.

What were you thinking?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Sorry mom, I'll be good.

But seriously, I've already learned the lesson here. I don't need a bunch of strangers preaching to me for something I knew was stupid from the start. Thanks for the concern but I'm well aware of the extent of how bad of an idea this was.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I must ask, though, why you went along with it?

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Well then maybe you'll gain some wisdom from this incident: if it might get you in trouble, don't do it. I can't even begin to fathom why you thought the risk was worth the reward. No, you don't have to reply to this.

Reply to this post
  mumblyjoe
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I dunno, maybe you need some time in the claps to really squeeze that stupid out from between your ears.

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  mumblyjoe
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I mean it's women's jail, it'll be cake and icecream. Who cares.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  OBVIOUSLY you've never been to a woman's penitentiary. You think it's bad when you drop the soap and bubba comes to give you your involuntary pina-colonic, imagine Bertha, the gym loving bull-dyke from cell block D comes in expecting you to get on your knees and service her in front to Joe-Snuffy the guard with a hard-on for free lesbian porn shows. Only, you don't feel like it, so Bertha beats the ever-loving shit out of you, then makes you service her anyways, and then beats you into a coma for breaking her hand when you hit it with your face too many times. Then you wake up a month later and come to find out, you managed add another 4 years to your sentence for murder of an inmate (Bertha did it, but the guard said it was you before beat you into senselessness in self-defense.)

True story, heard it from a friend, who heard it from a cousin who was neighbors to the guard that claimed it wasn't bertha.
Actually I heard it from the woman's mouth, well, what part of it worked.

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  fudchan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I hope you will be ok.. I'm sorry to hear about your situation.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  There are no words to describe how stupid you are.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Is this comment necessary?

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Someone had to say it.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  SORRY MOM

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You're welcome.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Obviously you are stupid as well posting that comment.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Oh, and my stupidity is displayed by my ability to recognize one of the worst possible courses of action?

Read the news article (mentioned several times above) and tell me that's not stupid.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Oh I know it is fucking stupid, just keep those comments to yourself. Obviously she knows it was wrong. No need to say what she already knows.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  And yet, you're offering condolences. Brilliant.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Yeah. Hell you ever dealt with jail? The place is a shithole. I want it to work out for them so they don't have to deal with it for to long.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I have, thank you very much. And you know what? People who distribute illegal substances deserve every minute of it.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I would disagree, but then I think alcohol is way worse then weed. Weed should be legal over alcohol.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It is. But being less bad than something doesn't mean marijuana is not bad.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It is actually a very good thing. It helps people with extreme anorexia, is in cancer meds, in so many meds it blows my mind.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Cannabis derivatives are in these things. Chemical compounds derived from the plant. Not the marijuana they were selling to druggies on the street.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  There is a difference between a substance between being illegal because it is harmful and destructive, and being illegal because it provides a massive amount of revenue to the government/lawenforcemant/prison system through expensive fines, sentencing and seizures.

No worse than alcohol. For one, marijuanaholism won't destroy your liver and make you abuse your family or wreck your car and kill someone. And it's not a physical addiction.


But hey go ahead, support the idea that illegal=immoral. Just remember that at one time, helping slaves escape from plantations was "illegal".

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Actually, marijuana has been correlated to anxiety, psychosis, and depression. It is common knowledge that it impairs judgement.

Inhalation of burning organic matter has always been considered a health risk. Unless you're into breathing smoke, I assume.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  1. Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. Psychoactive drugs cannot trigger mental disorder, only bring it out earlier than it would have anyway if you happen to be predisposed to it. It won't make you crazy unless you're going to be going crazy anyway. Also, many people use it to treat depression.

2. Alcohol impairs judgment. Lack of sleep impairs judgment. Stress can impair judgment. Sexual arousal can impair judgment. Prescription medication can impair judgment. What's your point?

3. No reputable scientific studies have been able to conclusively connect marijuana to lung cancer or emphysema or any of other of the horrible respiratory illnesses. I'm not saying smoke is good for your lungs, but it's probably not going to kill you or put you on an O2 tank in 30 years, either.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  1. True. But that argument is somewhat weak, as the control group and the test group were the same, exposed at different times. That means the same people, who exhibited no signs of psychosis, et. al. suddenly developed the symptoms after exposure to marijuana. I'd say the conclusion is a fair extension of the evidence.

2. Alcohol is bad. Lack of sleep is bad. Sexual arousal, when uncontrolled, is bad. Most prescription medications do not impair judgement unless overdosed. Anything else?

3. I didn't say it did. However, burning organic chemicals produce carbon monoxide; I trust I don't need to tell you that can kill you.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Alcohol is bad

How about giving a fact, not an opinion? Just because you believe alcohol is bad does not mean that it is. Most of the world would beg to differ with you on that point, in fact.

I didn't say it did. However, burning organic chemicals produce carbon monoxide; I trust I don't need to tell you that can kill you.

It can. But marijuana itself has never directly caused a death. And you never hear about anyone asphyxiating to death on a cigarette, either. Try again.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I think Googling "negative long-term effects of alcohol consumption" would answer that pretty nicely.

Additionally, not once have I equated my implication of carbon monoxide poisoning to the fact that it's marijuana we're talking about. Cigarettes, campfires, weed joints, etc. all produce carbon monoxide. It is nonlethal in small doses, but it builds up in your system over time and can have negative effects. The fact that you're inhaling it straight from the source into your lungs makes it a far more effective method to give yourself CO poisoning than standing by a campfire for a few (non-consecutive) years.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Interesting. Because every couple of months I see anew study in the news about how alcohol in moderation can benefit your health. Antioxidants in wine, lowering risk of heart disease with beer, etc. Example: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red-wine/HB00089

It's almost as if...it can actually be just fine for you when not abused! FASCINATING!

On your second point: find me one case where tobacco or marijuana caused death by CO poisoning. Try it. I'll wait.

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  hyenagirl
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Correlation does not equal causation. I mean come on, cancer does cause smoking. What were the regression values in the study you read? I bet you the regression values were like 30% AT MOST. If it's some scientific study and the r value is greater than 20%, they all celebrate wildly and say that this is enough proof for X to cause Y. What an abuse of the central limit theorem.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Actually someone with cataracts, cancer, and nearly every terminal illness associated with pain whatsoever can be legally be prescribed medicinal marijuana. You can purchase it from hospital pharmacies (those that stock it anyways) either bagged or prepared.

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  certo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  Marijuana and Smoking:A recent survey by the Kaiser Permanente Center found that daily marijuana-only smokers have a 19% higher rate of respiratory complaints than non-smokers.(1) These findings were not unexpected, since it has long been known that, aside from its psychoactive ingredients, marijuana smoke contains virtually the same toxic gases and carcinogenic tars as tobacco. Human studies have found that pot smokers suffer similar kinds of respiratory damage as tobacco smokers, putting them at greater risk of bronchitis, sore throat, respiratory inflammation and infections.(2)

Although there has not been enough epidemiological work to settle the matter definitively, it is widely suspected that marijuana smoking causes cancer. Studies have found apparently pre-cancerous cell changes in pot smokers.(3) Some cancer specialists have reported a higher-than-expected incidence of throat, neck and tongue cancer in younger, marijuana-only smokers.(4) A couple of cases have been fatal. While it has not been conclusively proven that marijuana smoking causes lung cancer, the evidence is highly suggestive. According to Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA, the leading expert on marijuana smoking:(5)"Although more information is certainly needed, sufficient data have already been accumulated concerning the health effects of marijuana to warrant counseling by physicians against the smoking of marijuana as an important hazard to health."

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  jeremynalsi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Oh boy... =(

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  God damn. >.> Fucking A. I hope it all works out okay for you two. Now I hate my state more.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You hate the state for busting them because they were doing something illegal?

Great logic, Socrates.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Just shut the fuck up now man.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I love it when I'm right.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Dude just shut up. Ofc it was illegal but still don't come into here and preach to her and anyone else about what they do wrong or what the fuck they think about the place they live.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Okay, two things.

One. I'm not preaching. I'm stating a pretty obvious fact.

Two. Did I ever talk about the specific place they live in? No. I merely commented that your hatred of the government due to arresting a person who was in the wrong made no logical sense.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  One: No need to state the obvious.

Two: And if I hate the government so what? they clutter up the prisions with pot heads instead of leaving room open for teh people who need it like child rapists, murderer, treason, racist crimes, etc.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  This is the point of a graduated containment system. The former three categories of criminals (also, I might add, classified as "felonies") do get placed in jail. And far worse jail than these two will ever encounter.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  First of all I understand where you are going with this fully it is annoying as hell though that plants place people n jail

Second I'm gonna block you so we can stop with all the fucking drama you seem to like to turn up in this journal. Just stfu and leave this place in peace.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Hiding behind a Block doesn't make you any less wrong.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  And one more thing. You know it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot then open it a remove all doubt.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I find that statement hugely ironic, coming from you.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  If you say so. you are the one who had to make a huge deal out of my statement about me not liking my state. You my friend are a complete moron. I take it you don't have to many friends in the real world.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Argumentum ad Hominem in its purest form. Sometimes I enjoy debating with people like you; it's a nice break from the people who actually know how to argue.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  So sorry if I'm not an arguer. I wasn't the teachers pet or on speech and debate. Hell people like you are the reason life sucks for so many.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Oh, really? Logical extrusion through thought and debate is what formed modern society, kiddo.

All I ask is for an answer to my questions, nothing more. I counter things as you present them, to the extent of my abilities.

I highly suggest you look up The Apology by Plato. Perhaps you'll learn something about how formalized arguments are structured.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  And all i ask is for you to shut up and stop all this drama and go jerk it some where else.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  The ones who kick up a fuss trying to fight those who are correct create the drama. I'm simply responding to your arguments. Perhaps you should be the bigger man and stop posting?

(We both know that isn't going to happen. This is the Internet, after all.)

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You're the one who fucking started it pal. I posted a simple comment of me disliking my state and you just had to come back with a smart ass remark calling me illogical just because I said i hate this place.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Because your hatred is unfounded and illogical. I simply pointed it out to you.

The purpose of arguing is to better oneself. I hope to help you come to terms with your wrath and understand how it is neither constructive nor healthy.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I hope you do as well. Now good day to you sir and drop it here.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't think you understand what the terms "hatred" or "wrath" mean, because I'm not even close to angry with you. Merely saddened that you hide behind your shield of willful ignorance.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I hate the state for the fact that it's illegal in the first place. I hope that's allowable.

Disclaimer: I don't actually hate the state, but I don't like the current laws, and what Darwin was saying wasn't illogical at all.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Do some research into its negative effects, and tell me that marijuana should be legal. Don't pretend like there aren't any, because there are several documented long-term effects from cannabis use.

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Doesn't change the fact that you put up some straw man to call Darwin illogical.

I'm fine with it being legal. Just like I'm fine with alcohol and cigarettes being legal.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I'd like you to identify my misdirected argument.

And look up what "straw man" means, because I don't think it means what you think it does.

I'm not fine with cigarettes and alcohol being legal, so what does that tell you?

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Alright, I'll bite. Darwin said "Now I hate my state more" with very little actual context involved. From this you took "You hate the state for busting them because they were doing something illegal?"

This is not a statement Darwin claimed. It's a statement you claimed. And then suggested was illogical. He could hate his state for a variety of reasons, for example, the one I suggested. I don't know what you think a straw man is, but when I read "argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position", I think that's pretty clear.

As for your not thinking cigarettes and alcohol should be legal, it tells me that we disagree. Also that we probably wouldn't enjoy each-other much if we hung out.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Actually, I read the statement (rightly so) as "Now I hate my state more". This implies that he hates the state now, more than he did before.

What changed between then and now?

Oh yes, they got busted for growing pot.

Simple logical extrusion brings us here, and he never denied my conclusion.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Good point, but it's not entirely so cut and dried. It would be just as easy to argue the legality of it is something he'd not considered before, and now that this has happened, he's thought about it and is displeased with the laws since this event took place. You're still interpreting where no rock-solid line exists, which leaves room to be called out. So I did.

Whether he denied it or not is tangential anyway, so there's little point arguing it.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Actually, the lack of denial is essentially equivalent to a confirmation. If I'd arrived to the incorrect conclusion, I'm sure I would have received something along the lines of "that's not what I said".

I don't think introducing circumstantial possibilities are necessary, because I feel my reasoning was fairly direct. If he had other reasons, I'm fairly confident he would have posted them.

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Know this isn't the place OR time, but I just noticed your username.
ilu
owo <3

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I did too, actually.

I loved that book/movie.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Which is making it hard to argue, because I keep accidentally slipping in "roadkill" in reference to him, then realizing that could be horribly misconstrued.

(I know it's actually "car" in the book, but I grew up on the movie so I think in its terms.)

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  That's great, but it wouldn't exactly stand up in court. I'm glad you're confident in your ability to judge what others' responses will be in a given scenario. I'm not, because people aren't all so predictable. He seemed kinda pissed at your attitude (rightly so) to me. If someone's being a dick to me I'm sometimes more inclined to walk away rather than bother. Point is, you don't know. Neither do I. That's why I made no claims of certainty. You did. I called you out on it. End of story.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  VROOM VROOM BEEP BEEP AROOOGA! XD

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Ohhh, I loved them as well. I recently did an analysis paper on the book, otherwise I probably just wouldn't have noticed the name at all.
And a big 'lol' at the roadkill thing. That's silly.

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  "That's silly"
xD
Dear lord.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  And yet you have failed to prove that my claims of certainty were incorrect.

Unless the person being questioned denied it, my logical chain of thought would, in fact, hold up in court. There's a reason lawyers are required to take courses in debate.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  It is always the place and time for such things. <3

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Apparently that's a difference of opinion; I provided examples of circumstances under which your claims would not be correct. If you don't think they're adequate, there's clearly no more I can say to convince you. Fine, whatever, and etc.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You have provided alternatives, yes. But you have presented absolutely no evidence to suggest they are more correct than the assumption I made, which has some (if not particularly compelling) backing.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Just as an aside: My head hurts from all this meta-arguing. Really. Look at us. Arguing about an argument that's an extension of a different argument.

It boggles the mind.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  And at this point it looks like we're circling around the drain of agreement but apparently unwilling to admit it.

My point, and the one you just repeated, is that neither of our scenarios is necessarily 'more correct' than the other, but at the same time, our arguments to explain Darwin's remarks are exclusive to one-another. If neither of them is 'more correct' than the other, then neither of them can be certain. Isn't that what you were saying, that I 'have failed to prove that [your] claims of certainty were incorrect'?

I'm pretty sure we've both just stated that neither is more correct than the other, and therefore neither can be completely correct being that they're (albeit not diametrically) opposed, and therefore neither is certain.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  But... but it's fun...

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I've not stated that neither is more certain than the other. Don't put words in my mouth.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I didn't say anything about one being 'more certain' than the other. I'm not saying mine is right. I'm only saying that neither are ENTIRELY certain, which is why I cried out a potential 'straw man!' in the first place, which you denied. That's, but I'm just saying you can't be certain that your interpretation is representative of what Darwin was saying. I think that's reasonable, but you've been defending against it so I've been responding with arguments. Because I can, and I don't want to do this work I have to do.

So, and I take much of this from your quotes:
1) I have provided alternatives to your suggestion
2) My alternatives are valid, but no more valid than your alternatives--> our alternatives are both potentially valid
3) My alternative explanation is opposed to your explanation

Therefore, if either of our explanations is potentially correct, and they are opposed to one-another, neither of them can be certain.

I'll accept that you may have misstated your stance or we've misunderstood eachother's intention tossing all these words around, but not that this doesn't logically follow. 'Cause it does.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  1. True.
2. False.
3. True.

My conclusion has a logical basis and thought process behind it. In addition, it has the denial lack backing it up. Yours do not.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I'm going to say that I grow very tired of this; I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me. This discussion is not helpful in any manner, so I suggest we break it off. And it's about 2AM here and I desperately need sleep.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Come on, let's get this down to where it displays as one word per line on the sidebar. XD

2 was implicit in your own comments, but more importantly, it's true anyway. Is my explanation possible? Yes. Is yours? Yes. If they're both possible (to any degree-- it doesn't matter if your explanation is more or less likely) then, because they are opposed to one-another, neither can be 100% certain. My explanation is not 100% certain. Your argument is not 100% certain. That is all I'm saying. That's it. I'm actually surprised you're still arguing against that particular point.

I'd be interested to know how you think my conclusion doesn't have a logical basis and thought process behind it anyway, considering I explained my interpretation of Darwin's statement pretty reasonably. You have the lack of denial behind you, fine and good. But I think it's just as likely that, rather than stick around and deny anything (which seems kind of pointless considering your immediate proclamation of 'I love it when I'm right' right after he tried to respond in the first place) he said 'fuck it' and didn't bother.

My point with this, just like with the whole shebang, is that you. can't. be. certain. And when you make judgments not based on 100% certainty, you leave yourself open to criticism. That's why I called out what I saw as a straw man, that's why this whole thing started, that's why I think you ought to be a little more even-handed in your posts if you were interested in an argument actually intended to reach some mutual agreement or understanding rather than goad people on.

It's bedtime soon. I'll revisit tomorrow if the thing's still here. It's been fun.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  But also pull in all the good it does; Specifically, it's use against cancer. it's been proven at many university that the cannabinoids actually physically remove the possibility of mutations in the cells, hence, no more cancer.
Sure it doesn;t work 100%, yet, but it's the best we've had in a long time. There is no cure for cancer. There might be, if more of it was legal.
It's prevention, man.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It has anti-carcinogenic effects. This does not mean it solves cancer. Additionally, the amount of marijuana to consume before the positive effects are felt is more than enough to cause all of the negative effects.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Meh, everything in moderation, and you'll be fine.
I don't really care; She did something horrible, regardless of what my opinion on it is, legal, or not.
Don't grow the damn shit in your own home and don't be a boisterous prick and you should be fine.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  *shrugs* I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm just being perceived as one based on my defenses.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Oh no, I wasn't calling you a prick, just there's too many people who smoke ganja as a recreation and are dickheads and really fucking stupid about it.
If we didn't have little fucktards who go all 'gangster' and want their 'blints 'n' hoes', I honestly thing Marijuana wouldn't be such a big deal, not in this day and age.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I did mean 'blunts n' hoes', not blints., but whatever. :x

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  hyenagirl
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Well Socrates, logically speaking, if you talk like a duck and act like a duck, what does that make you? BTW, Your hero died because he molested some boys in public, failed to be even remotely coherent at his trail then drank hemlock. I read the book.

Also, I have a windmill in my beard, so I win the argument. :P

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Go be a part of truth.org and try to ban cigarettes why don't you, guarantee more people have died from cigarettes than marijuana.

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  My question is....WHY??

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You can make assloads of money growing pot.
Gonna have to say THAT'S why.
:/

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Just because you can, doesn't mean you should..

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Tell that to the rest of the world

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I don't think so, either. But you asked why, and I gave a possible reason.
*shrug*

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Many people who fall into financial issues and don't resort to growing shit, instead, they keep their chin up and work harder, and don't take this offensively, of course, I just think it seems alot of people use it as the 'easy way out'.
Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal to make your life how you want to, but in a state where it's such a bitch?
I hope they go easy on you, but I'm glad to see you know you did wrong, that will actually help you all around in court.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Wtf, reply to a random person, right. Sorry!

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  agreed

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  x-steelfoot-x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Okay, not digging up my post from the shitstorm above, so I'm leaving a new one.

Talking about several years for an alleged marijuana grow operation? Seriously? I'd think that would be 18 months at the most unless you get an "LOL WAR ON DRUGS" judge.

Then again knowing Florida I guess that's completely possible :<

I have absolutely nothing against ya over this allegation either. Knowing what allegedly happened pisses me off about the ridiculous sentences on drugs more than anything else. Do we really need more people going into prisons for minor shit like weed with a prison population four times the UK's and getting even more crowded? I'd rather see probation and community service over this sort of thing. Save prison for rapists, murderers, gangsters, and such.

I really hope that you're okay :c

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  stryperendzvous
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  <o.O> Aww i wish there was something i could do for you! i am sorry about all this but i read thruogh you have your cat jason has his so thats good! <3 I am sorry about everything though i know you dont want pity

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  personaly, i can maybe understand the frowing shit..

but what i don't get is why the police where dispatched for a suicide attempt.. and foundout there was some domestic abuse going on. WTF MAN.

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  growing*

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  you idioit, you have got to be one of the dumbest people i have ever heard of in my life, growing pot in one of the least drug friendly states... in your house, what the fuck wer eyou thinking, thats like loading a gun and pointing it at your head down a rocky road. I am not a troll, i am not a soap box stander, im just that guy on the side shaking his head, you had it good, hell... i admored your art to a T, i was gonna ask if you could help me learn SAI and my new tablet, but now i have more respect to that little piece of shit clinging to my shoe after walking home, get your shit together, the long arm of the law will choke you dead if you do it again, trust me, ive had a few friends get busted for the same thing here, first and twice were over looked, third, and they went to jail, the youngest was 17, i loved the boy, but after you goto jail, even for a year, you either change, or your scarred for the rest of your life, you better fuckin beg and plea to that judge

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  well said.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  im just soo pissed off because i thought i found someone to look upto, well off, in a good mood, an animal lover, artist, and then i get hit with 47 pot plants and enough weed for a Willie Nelson concert..... i hope she can turn the leaf completely and gain back my respect

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  totally agree, this is what irritates me.
I reallylooked up to her because she was so talented.

Then i worried because of the battery charges..
then i decided i was just irritated at the whole situation and the overall stupidity.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  I hope you can turn over a leaf and find a gun to shoot yourself with. No one needs, or deserves the kind of "respect" that comes from someone else who makes judgements on a situation they know nothing about outside of a news blurb.

She's better off without a sunday-christian type of "friend" you are.

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  inb4 'Sorry Mom'

I'm just sayin >.>

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  troll, you fail

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Less of a troll, more beating the OP to what she will reply. Scroll up and read her other replies.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  i have, it seems like shes pulling the 'I know better and im shutting down replying with just this because i am perfect' : /
you forgot rule one and rule two

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  lyndane
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I think I speak for everyone here when I say gb2/b/ and gtfo newfag.

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  ty <3 ( I was more wordy... but... WHAT THIS PERSON SAID 8|)

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  how do I fail?

Because I don't say the exact same things as everyone else?

Because I don't repeat sentiments I don't feel?

Because I'm not following the sheeping crowd of 'Welp, she's an artist I like, she can do no wrong'?


She's responded to at least two 'I am disappoint' comments with 'sorry Mom'. In other words I'm making a joke at the fact that she, as a popufur artist, thought that she could post a journal like this and not have people react in negative ways towards her and why she is (possibly) to be in jail.

Just because I say a single 'fchany' joke doesn't make me a troll anymore than you assuming that I am one (once) makes you an ignorant bitch.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  you are now forever labeled as newfag

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Please, expound, I'd love to hear your opinion on how I can either be 'new' or a 'fag' in any logical way, besides you simply being butthurt bout it ;)

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You've lost, man. Give it up.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  im not really being butt hurt, im just tired, in a state of shock because the person that i look upto turned out to be a drug dealer and i felt like making friendly conversation to someone [im very joking]

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  <3? I have a feeling this is something like 'she's a lost cause, give it up' but... <3? lol

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  No, I was talking to Nick, since he's lost really badly.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Sorry for the ambiguity; I hadn't realized the exact format that FA stacks replies in.

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  no, after the... third or fourth comment (in a back and fourth, or where there are multiple replies to one comment) the comment chain starts to fall apart x.x so this last thing from nick (about how his world is collapsing because an artist he likes is *gasp* human) is to me.

It's a lil broken... but you figure it out eventually @.@

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  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Troll

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't think you understand what a troll is.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." -Wikipedia

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  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Mhmm.... troll

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  zOMFGz GAIZ A TROLLZ CALLIN ME A TROLL WAT DO I DO

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  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  resort to caps lock apparantly

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Sounds like a fair course of action. Set sail, skipper!

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  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  All aboard the coal train, baby!

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  snarkyfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Not all drug dealers are bad bro. It's most defiantly not a reason to stop liking one of your internet friends. Who gives a shit? Lots of people deal weed and lots of people smoke it. At least she didn't have a fucking meth lab. Chill out.

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  icomeanon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You live and you learn, I suppose.

Hopefully, we''ll see you around in the future, (and hopefully) doing fewer illegal things. Disconnecting from intent and action and legality, you're a good artist (and, i think, a good person overall), and I for one will miss your art.

As such, I hope for the best for you, regardless of whether or not you feel (or the law feels) that you deserve to get off completely free.

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Somewhat typical Real Life Drama + FA Drama Lovin' Trolls = ???? = PROFIT!

But seriously, that shit sucks. I can't really say you didn't have it coming, but don't get me wrong, I still don't think any less of you for this mess. It happens to a lot more people than one thinks. You'd be better off just deleting this journal, cause it'll only stir up more shit onto your boots. Just deal with your commissioners and close ones only for now. They're the ones you need to direct all your attention to at this time. Good luck with the sentencing and shit. Hopefully you won't get nailed to hard by the justice system.



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