serious trouble

Journal Entry: 10 hours ago

Previously known as ladykix  ladykix

FWA funds: ---/$130

Jason and I have been put in jail. I am not going into detail on why.

I am currently on pre-trial release right now. Jason is still in jail. We're probably looking at a long time in jail. We have been put on no contact, though, so I can't talk to him. If I do, I get put right back in jail.

I am going to do everything in my power to finish the commissions I owe before I go to jail. If we had a magic card trade and you haven't sent the cards, just forget about it.

Please do not rush me on your commission. I am so messed up right now that I won't be able to take it but I assure you that I will be working as hard as I can for you. I'm moving to West Palm since I'm not allowed to see Jason, so art upload will be slow. I have my sidekick though so I can answer to comments.

This is NOT a joke or anything. And please don't pity me.

Email is
If you need me.
Gift and commission account: kit-n-kaboodle  kit-n-kaboodle
456 comments

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  jangofett777
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  was whatever the reason your going to jail really that bad?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  4 felonies and 1 misdemeanor. He got the same thing.

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  jangofett777
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  wow, well that really sucks for you.

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  shaddevil
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  4? And you did that all at the same time? O.o;

Yikes...I don't really want to know what it was...just,
are you in a 3-Strikes-State? And if yes, does it count as
one strike when one is convicted for several felonies at once
or would it still be considered "1"?

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  darklathia
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Florida is on a point system. So it depends. I have a friend who is an officer. I hope it isn't that bad.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Oh hey nice find.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I got it from a Furry drama LJ community. lol

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  SHOCKERS.

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Dick move right there. She said she wasn't going to go into details, and you really shouldn't have informed anyone of it either. I'm reporting this to be removed. Respect someones privacy next time.

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  unrealdagger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Yeah, protect the criminal's privacy even though it's all over the news. Idiot.

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Be that as it may, I'm sure plenty of people would not have known about the details had the link not been posted.

You're the one not thinking on all grounds. Perhaps it is you who is the real idiot. There is no need to drag someones mistakes and trash any privacy they might still hold onto.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  It's not private anymore when the news is reporting it. Correct speculation had already been made in these comments, and the story was linked on LiveJournal. She also uses actual names in the journal.
Dick move? Perhaps. But then, I never said I wasn't a bitch. :)

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  geminifoxx
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Dick move? Welcome to the internet, bro.

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  tifreak8x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  ._.

*hugs tight*

I.. I really don't know what to say. T_T

If you need an ear or a friend, I am here..

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  kaix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  :shakes head:wow all the same thing?

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  ferret926
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I dont wanna sound like a dick, but why were you put in jail?

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  furrypeace
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Same, lol

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  This I...we wish to know.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  ferret926
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  is this what they did o-o?

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Yep. The people referred to in the article are the OP and her boyfriend.

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  ferret926
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Wow :\

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Really? You didn't have to post this. It's honestly none of your business.

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  lazerhyena
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It's kind of anyone's business who wants to be bothered to look it up. These sorts of records are public and accessible to anyone who goes looking.

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Only cause people like to snoop so much that they made such things available. Despite the availability, it is still none of their damn business. Nothing you or anybody can/will say can change my mentality on this subject.

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  lazerhyena
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't care if you change your mind or not, but you might as well get your panties out of a knot because people will talk about it and it will spread like wildfire. I've already seen the news all over my LJ friends pages. Getting defensive and telling people that a crime perpetrated in the public eye is no one's business.. well that's just silly and you're only going to wear yourself out getting mad at people for doing what people do, being curious. *shrugs*

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  rottenmeats
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You best write the news paper and tell them its no ones business too then.

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  ashleyashes
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I think it's everyone's buisness once you make the news.

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  uc
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  hay that's a damn fine point there ashleyashes....yet now i need an opinion from you.

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  snarkyfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I think it's peoples business when a vague ass journal is written, peeks everyone's curiosity, and then OP won't talk about shit. If you don't want people to know about it, DON'T BRING IT UP!

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  She brought it up in a public forum, making it everyone's business. The news article is public accessible. If she didn't want people to know her issues, then she shouldn't have opened her dumb mouth. She could have contacted her commissioners discretely.

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  lysanderxx
 

(No Subject) Posted: half-an-hour ago

  So you thought it was your duty to tell everyone just becasue she mentioned it to a few people? And what the heck do you mean by "dumb mouth?" Seriously, you are the one who is less than intelligant by being so foolish to do this thing. You have no right to judge. You have no right to suddenly determine everyone should know everything wrong in someone's life.

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  feverdog
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I was wondering that same question.

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  darkpaw
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  4 felonies holy shit

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  That sounds really severe. Could you give any hint as to what the felonies are? Like thievary, car related, etc

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Huh.... that sucks. I'm sorry if I sound a little uncouth, but when I say that sucks, that normally equates to me being at a loss for words longer than 4-5 letters.

I wish you the best, and like everyone else I'm dying to know why, but I'm not gonna post a million comments asking why.
Good luck, don't drop the soap.

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  riskyfrisky
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Good lord...I don't know what to say...I wish you the best of luck.

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  riskyfrisky
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Well, Marijuana can do it.

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  lollazer
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  i am at a complete loss of words, i really dont know what to say =( kind of the same situation as Yaoi_Vixen_Boi right now...
good luck though, i wish you the best!

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  kipper0308
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  God Speed.

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  darklathia
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I guess fwa is off then

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  mishie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  im wondering what stuff you did to be put in jail for so long O_O but its none of my bee's wax so im not pushing it. i just hope things get better for you

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  wulfshade
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Well, jail will be an experiense. Something to tell people about. Hopefully the sentence ain't gonna be long.

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  fmr
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  As if I didn't think things could get any worse... Terrah, if you need someone to talk to, call me.

No pity; best luck. Jim's here for you, for whatever it's worth, and whether you need me or not.

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  teahound
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  =< I hope everything turns out not-too terribly...

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  x-steelfoot-x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  I don't know what happened, and I don't care to know what happened, but I really hope that you are both acquitted of all charges, or failing that, acquitted of at least a few of them and don't have to spend too much time in jail.

I'mma miss talking to you. :< I dunno if hugs are okay with you, but I feel like I owe you one.

Please take care of yourself.

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  x-steelfoot-x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  Also, I really hope that saying this doesn't bite me in the ass, but if you need some sort of help (emotionally, not financially; I have no money) I'm here.

Please be safe.

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  riss
 

(No Subject) Posted: 10 hours ago

  What... How... I'm uncertain what to say to this... Good luck sorting this out.

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  tyrackwolfii
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Dude...

I don't care about what you guys did... I just hope you guys get through this ok.

Keep your head up and learn from your mistakes. That's really all I can say... take care now.

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  thesi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Do you deserve them at least?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Partly, yes. I think they hit me a little too hard on some of the charges... they were really rude. It seems as if they base their charges on their own opinion regardless of what we say. They asked us questions and listened to us, but they didn't hear us if that makes sense. I will probably get jail time if they don't go easy on me, but Jason's going to get hit way hard. Our county does not play around.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I honestly don't think it should be a crime...

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Neither do I. It's bullshit.

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  ainoko
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Hopefully you will be able to tell us what went down after things cool off.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  While I don't think it should be illegal, it is. And you and your boy are reallllly stupid for housing a production line where you live and then basically leading the police to it.
These are the consequences. It's not as though they are some sort of secret, either. You risked it, you got caught.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Though it's likely too late, if it's anything more severe than a ticket (especially felony territory as you stated), you should not tell the cops ANYTHING until you are able to meet with your lawyer.

There is nothing you can tell the cops that will improve the situation. Talking always hurts you. The cops aren't friends, they have no interest in helping you in situations such as this.

That being said, I wish you luck.


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  rottenmeats
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Pretty much this.

If you're under 18, you say you need your parents there. Legally, they need to be there, but cops will break the rules. Once you hit 18, you call lawyer. They can't question you till one gets there. Then the lawyer slaps your hand and tells you when to talk.

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  mikau
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Jeez, that's quite a scare to be put in jail. I do hope you'll be acquitted of all (or most) charges levied to you.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe, MAYBE, I might get acquitted, or something but no way for Jason. I really wish he could get off easy, but it looks bad and I'm not getting my hopes up.

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  mikau
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Still, it's a great big scare to you, I'd imagine, and this is going to mar your clean record for life. :/ That erally sucks that had to happen to you two.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I honestly don't see that happening. Maybe, MAYBE, I might get acquitted, or something but no way for Jason. I really wish he could get off easy, but it looks bad and I'm not getting my hopes up.

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  ivory-raven
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Are you actually guilty of it?

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  archekruz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Woah holy shit!

How long would the sentence be most likely?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I really have no idea but I've been told a lot of things. Probably a few years. We're probably going to lose the house, his business, everything.. He already lost the car.

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  ladymissie
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  What the hell did you two do?

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  My guess is this has to do with someone's age.

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  unless there's someone else involved she shouldn't be in trouble

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  ^^ You'd be surprised.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  You're way off. They weren't happy when they heard about our age difference though.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Well, I'm not privy to details. :) Good to hear it's not statutory rape.

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  kashmirdreams
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  age is just a number x.x and love is blind

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  In certain situations.
:|

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  ...Justice is blind, too. The law doesn't really care about intent, and say AJ here wasn't really 19. The courts frown on that.

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  kashmirdreams
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  this is true, and ive even seen it where parents dont want to file charges and the court goes forward anyway. But, as of 18 shes an adult, reguardless of the age of her boyfriend. My best friend is 26 and her husband is 45.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Yes, and that's why I said I was glad it wasn't statutory rape.

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Not when it's 50 year old man and a 14 year old girl

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  60 and 12 bro


WHACHU KNO BOUT DAT

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  yiffchiyo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Exactly X3

I'm 21 and my mate is 30 X3 nothing wrong with that

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  skimike
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I hope that things work out for you. If you wish to talk or I can help out in some way, you know how to get in touch.

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  furrypeace
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Wow, I hope you work things out! Wish I could help.

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  sissiesque
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Wow, Terrah. ): I can't begin to imagine what happened, but I hope it turns out... well? From what I've heard in the comments of this journal, I think I might know what it's about. I'm sorry that this is happening. ):

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  sissiesque
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Thanks for the info, Zip. :) Despite her being totally stupid, I think I'm still going to give her support.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I understand. :D
I just wanted you to know what is going on. We posted at CG'z novice too. Because this will end in the site being put down, most likely.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Actually it probably won't...

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Jason pays for it. And the people using it now will most likely not step in to pay.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  I'll be taking care of his business and stuff if need be, so the money will still be there to fund the site.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  awesome, but don't support what you don't have to. :)

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  kenku
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Awww nuts, and that was going to be such a good deal...ah well. Good luck Anja, hope stuff turns around for ya soon!

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  blue-paper
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  O_O oh geez that sucks
I know you won't go into detail, and I won't pry, so I don't know the conditions to it, but I do hope that things clear up and everything gets better :C

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  ivory-raven
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  I'm not really familiar with the legal system; how bad is this? I know it's possible you could do some time, but how much?

I'm not going to ask what happened, but I hope you know that you've got a friend in me if you need it, though I'm sure you can do much better than me.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  redpendragoniii
 

(No Subject) Posted: 9 hours ago

  Hope Jason doesn't get it to bad and if he does gets the book thrown at him. I hope he doesn't drop the soap.

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  fmr
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  You're a fucked up person, you know that?

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Why should he have any pity for someone who has been smacked with 4 felonies and a misdemeanor?

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Cause it Shouldn't b Brought up, It'z None of your Business an Nobody knowz the Situation....

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Learn2Spell before you reply to me, thank you.

Every word doesn't need to be capitalized, mind you

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Good effort Suggestion Boy....

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  aden
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  plz2be researching what a "proper noun" is

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Get outta That Tree Arnie....

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  First sign that you're losing an argument, when you point out grammar mistakes.
Also, it really isn't anybody's business besides theirs and the police.

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  thewhitedragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  it seems everyone's business now, considering everyone talking about it now and the indirect explanations of them o_O

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Meant with the Trollz, I agree that We're left in the Dark, but I think she Just gave a Head'z up about Commissionz, FWA, an Such....

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Yes, but that's not going to stop people from asking and being nosy, and neither are you.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Oh no, I don't Care wat She did, That'z her own Business....

I just Consider it Lame when Somebody makez a Jail/Soap comment Then some Reject bringz up Feloniez an Such just 2 Argue....

She haz nothing 2 Gain but a House, Cat, an a Lotta other Crap 2 Lose....

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  We know you are black but damn



NIGGA THIS AINT MYSPACE

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  1thirteen3
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I LOLD

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Wat the Fuck doez Myspace Have 2 do with BET?

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  cUz NaWhaTIm SaYiN

bLAck PpL NeEd RePaRaTinz

fO ReEl DoUgH

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Yeah, wat She Said....

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  farellemoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  This.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I came.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Thanks IC

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  arcturuskalentrishima
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Lurk moar.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I'm Just respondin 2 Repliez....

Think Moar....

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  arcturuskalentrishima
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Easy. Eaaaaaaasy.

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  kaix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  1.Its called a joke, learn to take them
2.Hes probably being serious, that shit honest to god happens.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I don't find the joke funny since he's talking about my brother.

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  calleemcborder
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Sounds like your brother has some things he needs to sort through in his life, regardless of your relative defense. I know if my brother got caught up in something like this, I'd be telling him not to drop the soap. And some other things.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Personally I don't see anything wrong with weed and believe it should be legal more so then alcohol. You never hear of a pothead getting high and beating someone to death....

He does need to sort out his life, but if you had to go through the shit he and his family (Myself included) had to in the last year who knows how you would deal with it.

I also would not wish rape on anyone, guess that shows your color and your feelings towards humanity.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I've watched plenty of people get high and get into fist fights. I've heard of some that end in death.
As well as yelling matches, and throwing stuff around.

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I just want to point out that the expression 'don't drop the soap' does not wish rape on someone. It's saying, 'hey, here's something you can do to AVOID being raped'.
But whatever.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Not high on weed, if so it would have to be their personality doing it and not the drug itself. Weed mellows people out it does not agitate them. If so it was most likely laced with something more hard core.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Nevertheless, it -is- illegal to grow, and your brother should have known better at his age. "I wish it were legal" isn't the same as "there's no way I can get in trouble for it".

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Tell that to my friend who has malformed knuckles, because she was unable to control her anger while on pot. I used to smoke too. I left for a reason.
It will remain a gateway drug unless legalized, due to sellers wanting more money.

It will also remain an unsafe substance unless legalized due to other substances being added to make a 'more fulfilling high'.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You are correct. I took it the wrong way, guess dealing with this just after my dad's death makes my mind a bit weak.
Honestly thanks for pointing out my error. I believe I took his/her comment the wrong way.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  This is true, can't argue with that. At any rate the legalization of weed is a different topic all together.

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Exactly. :)

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  My best friend in high school was emotionally, verbally, and sometimes physically abused by her pothead mother. It was a very sad situation.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  But I do agree about legalization. Stuff like this shouldn't send people to jail. Alcohol/tobacco are just as bad and still perfectly legal. It's just wasting time, jail space, and money.

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Yes, as long as it's not abused... Everything can be bad if it's in excess....

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Indeed.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Pffff, I said that an hour before he did and you're yelling at him for it?
It's true though.

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  ainoko
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I have you in my prayers Kix. I pray that nothing bad heads your way

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Good luck - get a good lawyer I guess. All I can really say is if it's all about the durgs - come to CA man, they won't lock you up for life for that sort of thing.

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  mizumi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Oh man, that's tough! I hope you all get out alright, if you want someone to talk to or to hang out with, if you can, I'll be there for you. Just shoot me a text or call me anytime. I'll only be a short drive away soon.

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  mabarial
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Maybe you should have buried him a little deeper. :x

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  therealist
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Whatever happened, I hope it's not severe enough to land you and Jason on the Five O'Clock News. People have a hard time getting their lives back in order after something like that

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  jingx1
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  You two, get out of jail. Quick. >:(
My best wishes to you, and that time passes quickly.

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  kitstaa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Man that sucks

Government amirite

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  aquingator
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I was given this journal link by someone else. I would highly advise getting a good lawyer. Did they give you your rights? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the charges and the jail time are the least of your worries.

You may already know this by now, but if you are convicted/acquitted of whatever charges they placed, it is rebuilding your life after the fact that will be hell.

From what it sounds like to me this is a "could" situation, they may choose to drop the charges.

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  yiffchiyo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  o.O Fuck.... that really sucks hun. I hope its for what i think it's for and not something else :c

I let orangy know that you guys won't be able to make it to con.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Yeah u Need a Lawyer, If u Both get the Same U'll have a Better Chance....

The Lawyer can Contact him, an If it'z a Non-Violent Crime u Should b Fine....

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  kalemika
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  wow, this sucks. good luck. stay safe.

i don't have anything more intelligent to say than that.

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I have no idea what you've done, so I'm not going to give you all my sympathies (Not to sound like a bitch, it's just that ANYTHING could have gone on, from littering to murder, and you never know what it could be. Also not saying you murdered someone, but yeah hope someone understands. x_x), but I do hope everything regarding trials and such goes smoothly. Trials are such a hassle.
I DO wish you luck on getting everything sorted out before and afterward, though. That kinda stuff is hard. :/

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  orangy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  I'm really sorry to hear this, it would have been really fun to meet you at FWA! I wish you both the best of luck! Don't feel bad about FWA, it happens. I wish I knew you were the other friends coming so we could have talked a bit. :D

Again good luck, dont feel bad.

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  yiffchiyo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  :C I told Kiba tons of times that it was AJ coming >_< musta not passed it on D:

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  What the fuck did you do, PK?!

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  my wild guess is it involves some unstable herbs

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  tamashdene
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Lot of that going around.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  there have been some recent crack downs :P i dont know what state thou, so im clueless.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Florida. A shit state to get caught in.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  Do you have the cats?

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  mabarial
 

(No Subject) Posted: 8 hours ago

  My first thought was Dorito, though I'm sure she's already taken care of that.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I have my own cat but I left Kitty because they told me Jason would be released.. I left him tons of food and water just in case. I thought Jason would like to have Kitty around since I won't be around.... my mom can take him if she needs to, but he was really upset.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Jason said Kitty is gone... That's why I asked... He's home now, I'm going to stay there when my mom and I come to visit until shit is taken care of...

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Ok, he found Kitty... Guess he was just hiding really good

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  catldr24
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  If you need help with anything, you call me. Please.

I won't pity. I'm not going to pry. But I will worry.

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  christykitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Holy shit, >.<
I.. am at loss at what to say, jesus christ. I really hope you don't go to jail and you are aquitted.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.
If you are able to, please, keep up to date.
We will miss you incredably if you are put away.
You have my best wishes and concerns for you.
Please, be safe.

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  suna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Step 1: Find Monopoly.

Step 2: Take 2 "Get out of jail free" cards.

Step 3: Give to police.

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  greenhatmatt
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  DAMNIT I won 10$ in a beauty contest instead.

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  hyenagirl
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Actually on the back of the AAA Gold membership card, it also doubles as a get out of jail free card. FOR REAL. $1,000 bail for regular crime and up to $5,000 bail for automobile related. One more reason to get a AAA membership.

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I don't pity people, and if what you two did landed you with 4 misdemeanors and a felony, you certainly won't have it. You're both adults.

I am however quite curious as to what exactly got you into this rather severe situation, especially considering some of the comments in here. I would request you tell us, not to use against you, but as a lesson in wisdom to those who might also be doing the same thing. And, again, I'm curious. I have no problem admitting that.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Wow. ...That's all I can say.

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Thank you. That was my guess, actually. I appreciate it.

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  theworldfamousic
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Lol Wow....

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  blazen
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Ah. Yeah, there's not gonna be much pity there.

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  She's not asking for pity only understanding that the commissions will take longer.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Why mention anything other than that some personal stuff is going on and commissions will take longer as a result? Posting this to the whole world kind of seems to be begging for attention/pity

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Eh, I can see it. Who would know if she was just making something up? People are less likely to understand about commissions if you have a vague excuse, as well. If I were caught up in some serious shit, I'd probably post a journal saying 'I am in some serious shit, brb' too.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Personally I don't mention anything as you can see from my journal here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1204765/

However, if it was something that happened to me I'd probably just give all the details because I don't give a fuck what people thing about me. I just get defensive when it comes to friends and family.


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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I can understand that, but it's not what the initial impression is from her journal.

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  kyomana
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  OH LOL.

This is REALLY funny to me and I have no idea why.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  What county are you in?
Man, I really hope you're okay and you two get through this.

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  snobahr
 

(Have you learned anything from this?) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Growing pot in your own home. Bad idea.
Cultivating a pot farm, in your own home, bad idea.
Growing pot in any tangible quantity in a state that doesn't take kindly to recreational drug use anyways, very bad idea.

What were you thinking?

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Sorry mom, I'll be good.

But seriously, I've already learned the lesson here. I don't need a bunch of strangers preaching to me for something I knew was stupid from the start. Thanks for the concern but I'm well aware of the extent of how bad of an idea this was.

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  sarla
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I must ask, though, why you went along with it?

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  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Well then maybe you'll gain some wisdom from this incident: if it might get you in trouble, don't do it. I can't even begin to fathom why you thought the risk was worth the reward. No, you don't have to reply to this.

Reply to this post
  mumblyjoe
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I dunno, maybe you need some time in the claps to really squeeze that stupid out from between your ears.

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  mumblyjoe
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I mean it's women's jail, it'll be cake and icecream. Who cares.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  OBVIOUSLY you've never been to a woman's penitentiary. You think it's bad when you drop the soap and bubba comes to give you your involuntary pina-colonic, imagine Bertha, the gym loving bull-dyke from cell block D comes in expecting you to get on your knees and service her in front to Joe-Snuffy the guard with a hard-on for free lesbian porn shows. Only, you don't feel like it, so Bertha beats the ever-loving shit out of you, then makes you service her anyways, and then beats you into a coma for breaking her hand when you hit it with your face too many times. Then you wake up a month later and come to find out, you managed add another 4 years to your sentence for murder of an inmate (Bertha did it, but the guard said it was you before beat you into senselessness in self-defense.)

True story, heard it from a friend, who heard it from a cousin who was neighbors to the guard that claimed it wasn't bertha.
Actually I heard it from the woman's mouth, well, what part of it worked.

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  fudchan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  I hope you will be ok.. I'm sorry to hear about your situation.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  There are no words to describe how stupid you are.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Is this comment necessary?

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Someone had to say it.

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  ajna
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  SORRY MOM

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You're welcome.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Obviously you are stupid as well posting that comment.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Oh, and my stupidity is displayed by my ability to recognize one of the worst possible courses of action?

Read the news article (mentioned several times above) and tell me that's not stupid.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Oh I know it is fucking stupid, just keep those comments to yourself. Obviously she knows it was wrong. No need to say what she already knows.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  And yet, you're offering condolences. Brilliant.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Yeah. Hell you ever dealt with jail? The place is a shithole. I want it to work out for them so they don't have to deal with it for to long.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I have, thank you very much. And you know what? People who distribute illegal substances deserve every minute of it.

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I would disagree, but then I think alcohol is way worse then weed. Weed should be legal over alcohol.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It is. But being less bad than something doesn't mean marijuana is not bad.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It is actually a very good thing. It helps people with extreme anorexia, is in cancer meds, in so many meds it blows my mind.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Cannabis derivatives are in these things. Chemical compounds derived from the plant. Not the marijuana they were selling to druggies on the street.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  There is a difference between a substance between being illegal because it is harmful and destructive, and being illegal because it provides a massive amount of revenue to the government/lawenforcemant/prison system through expensive fines, sentencing and seizures.

No worse than alcohol. For one, marijuanaholism won't destroy your liver and make you abuse your family or wreck your car and kill someone. And it's not a physical addiction.


But hey go ahead, support the idea that illegal=immoral. Just remember that at one time, helping slaves escape from plantations was "illegal".

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Actually, marijuana has been correlated to anxiety, psychosis, and depression. It is common knowledge that it impairs judgement.

Inhalation of burning organic matter has always been considered a health risk. Unless you're into breathing smoke, I assume.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  1. Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. Psychoactive drugs cannot trigger mental disorder, only bring it out earlier than it would have anyway if you happen to be predisposed to it. It won't make you crazy unless you're going to be going crazy anyway. Also, many people use it to treat depression.

2. Alcohol impairs judgment. Lack of sleep impairs judgment. Stress can impair judgment. Sexual arousal can impair judgment. Prescription medication can impair judgment. What's your point?

3. No reputable scientific studies have been able to conclusively connect marijuana to lung cancer or emphysema or any of other of the horrible respiratory illnesses. I'm not saying smoke is good for your lungs, but it's probably not going to kill you or put you on an O2 tank in 30 years, either.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  1. True. But that argument is somewhat weak, as the control group and the test group were the same, exposed at different times. That means the same people, who exhibited no signs of psychosis, et. al. suddenly developed the symptoms after exposure to marijuana. I'd say the conclusion is a fair extension of the evidence.

2. Alcohol is bad. Lack of sleep is bad. Sexual arousal, when uncontrolled, is bad. Most prescription medications do not impair judgement unless overdosed. Anything else?

3. I didn't say it did. However, burning organic chemicals produce carbon monoxide; I trust I don't need to tell you that can kill you.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Alcohol is bad

How about giving a fact, not an opinion? Just because you believe alcohol is bad does not mean that it is. Most of the world would beg to differ with you on that point, in fact.

I didn't say it did. However, burning organic chemicals produce carbon monoxide; I trust I don't need to tell you that can kill you.

It can. But marijuana itself has never directly caused a death. And you never hear about anyone asphyxiating to death on a cigarette, either. Try again.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I think Googling "negative long-term effects of alcohol consumption" would answer that pretty nicely.

Additionally, not once have I equated my implication of carbon monoxide poisoning to the fact that it's marijuana we're talking about. Cigarettes, campfires, weed joints, etc. all produce carbon monoxide. It is nonlethal in small doses, but it builds up in your system over time and can have negative effects. The fact that you're inhaling it straight from the source into your lungs makes it a far more effective method to give yourself CO poisoning than standing by a campfire for a few (non-consecutive) years.

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  motowolf
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Interesting. Because every couple of months I see anew study in the news about how alcohol in moderation can benefit your health. Antioxidants in wine, lowering risk of heart disease with beer, etc. Example: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red-wine/HB00089

It's almost as if...it can actually be just fine for you when not abused! FASCINATING!

On your second point: find me one case where tobacco or marijuana caused death by CO poisoning. Try it. I'll wait.

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  hyenagirl
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Correlation does not equal causation. I mean come on, cancer does cause smoking. What were the regression values in the study you read? I bet you the regression values were like 30% AT MOST. If it's some scientific study and the r value is greater than 20%, they all celebrate wildly and say that this is enough proof for X to cause Y. What an abuse of the central limit theorem.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Actually someone with cataracts, cancer, and nearly every terminal illness associated with pain whatsoever can be legally be prescribed medicinal marijuana. You can purchase it from hospital pharmacies (those that stock it anyways) either bagged or prepared.

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  certo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  Marijuana and Smoking:A recent survey by the Kaiser Permanente Center found that daily marijuana-only smokers have a 19% higher rate of respiratory complaints than non-smokers.(1) These findings were not unexpected, since it has long been known that, aside from its psychoactive ingredients, marijuana smoke contains virtually the same toxic gases and carcinogenic tars as tobacco. Human studies have found that pot smokers suffer similar kinds of respiratory damage as tobacco smokers, putting them at greater risk of bronchitis, sore throat, respiratory inflammation and infections.(2)

Although there has not been enough epidemiological work to settle the matter definitively, it is widely suspected that marijuana smoking causes cancer. Studies have found apparently pre-cancerous cell changes in pot smokers.(3) Some cancer specialists have reported a higher-than-expected incidence of throat, neck and tongue cancer in younger, marijuana-only smokers.(4) A couple of cases have been fatal. While it has not been conclusively proven that marijuana smoking causes lung cancer, the evidence is highly suggestive. According to Dr. Donald Tashkin of UCLA, the leading expert on marijuana smoking:(5)"Although more information is certainly needed, sufficient data have already been accumulated concerning the health effects of marijuana to warrant counseling by physicians against the smoking of marijuana as an important hazard to health."

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  jeremynalsi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  Oh boy... =(

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  God damn. >.> Fucking A. I hope it all works out okay for you two. Now I hate my state more.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You hate the state for busting them because they were doing something illegal?

Great logic, Socrates.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Just shut the fuck up now man.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I love it when I'm right.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Dude just shut up. Ofc it was illegal but still don't come into here and preach to her and anyone else about what they do wrong or what the fuck they think about the place they live.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Okay, two things.

One. I'm not preaching. I'm stating a pretty obvious fact.

Two. Did I ever talk about the specific place they live in? No. I merely commented that your hatred of the government due to arresting a person who was in the wrong made no logical sense.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  One: No need to state the obvious.

Two: And if I hate the government so what? they clutter up the prisions with pot heads instead of leaving room open for teh people who need it like child rapists, murderer, treason, racist crimes, etc.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  This is the point of a graduated containment system. The former three categories of criminals (also, I might add, classified as "felonies") do get placed in jail. And far worse jail than these two will ever encounter.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  First of all I understand where you are going with this fully it is annoying as hell though that plants place people n jail

Second I'm gonna block you so we can stop with all the fucking drama you seem to like to turn up in this journal. Just stfu and leave this place in peace.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Hiding behind a Block doesn't make you any less wrong.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  And one more thing. You know it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot then open it a remove all doubt.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I find that statement hugely ironic, coming from you.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  If you say so. you are the one who had to make a huge deal out of my statement about me not liking my state. You my friend are a complete moron. I take it you don't have to many friends in the real world.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Argumentum ad Hominem in its purest form. Sometimes I enjoy debating with people like you; it's a nice break from the people who actually know how to argue.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  So sorry if I'm not an arguer. I wasn't the teachers pet or on speech and debate. Hell people like you are the reason life sucks for so many.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Oh, really? Logical extrusion through thought and debate is what formed modern society, kiddo.

All I ask is for an answer to my questions, nothing more. I counter things as you present them, to the extent of my abilities.

I highly suggest you look up The Apology by Plato. Perhaps you'll learn something about how formalized arguments are structured.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  And all i ask is for you to shut up and stop all this drama and go jerk it some where else.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  The ones who kick up a fuss trying to fight those who are correct create the drama. I'm simply responding to your arguments. Perhaps you should be the bigger man and stop posting?

(We both know that isn't going to happen. This is the Internet, after all.)

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You're the one who fucking started it pal. I posted a simple comment of me disliking my state and you just had to come back with a smart ass remark calling me illogical just because I said i hate this place.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Because your hatred is unfounded and illogical. I simply pointed it out to you.

The purpose of arguing is to better oneself. I hope to help you come to terms with your wrath and understand how it is neither constructive nor healthy.

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  darwin
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I hope you do as well. Now good day to you sir and drop it here.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't think you understand what the terms "hatred" or "wrath" mean, because I'm not even close to angry with you. Merely saddened that you hide behind your shield of willful ignorance.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I hate the state for the fact that it's illegal in the first place. I hope that's allowable.

Disclaimer: I don't actually hate the state, but I don't like the current laws, and what Darwin was saying wasn't illogical at all.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Do some research into its negative effects, and tell me that marijuana should be legal. Don't pretend like there aren't any, because there are several documented long-term effects from cannabis use.

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Doesn't change the fact that you put up some straw man to call Darwin illogical.

I'm fine with it being legal. Just like I'm fine with alcohol and cigarettes being legal.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I'd like you to identify my misdirected argument.

And look up what "straw man" means, because I don't think it means what you think it does.

I'm not fine with cigarettes and alcohol being legal, so what does that tell you?

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Alright, I'll bite. Darwin said "Now I hate my state more" with very little actual context involved. From this you took "You hate the state for busting them because they were doing something illegal?"

This is not a statement Darwin claimed. It's a statement you claimed. And then suggested was illogical. He could hate his state for a variety of reasons, for example, the one I suggested. I don't know what you think a straw man is, but when I read "argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position", I think that's pretty clear.

As for your not thinking cigarettes and alcohol should be legal, it tells me that we disagree. Also that we probably wouldn't enjoy each-other much if we hung out.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Actually, I read the statement (rightly so) as "Now I hate my state more". This implies that he hates the state now, more than he did before.

What changed between then and now?

Oh yes, they got busted for growing pot.

Simple logical extrusion brings us here, and he never denied my conclusion.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Good point, but it's not entirely so cut and dried. It would be just as easy to argue the legality of it is something he'd not considered before, and now that this has happened, he's thought about it and is displeased with the laws since this event took place. You're still interpreting where no rock-solid line exists, which leaves room to be called out. So I did.

Whether he denied it or not is tangential anyway, so there's little point arguing it.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Actually, the lack of denial is essentially equivalent to a confirmation. If I'd arrived to the incorrect conclusion, I'm sure I would have received something along the lines of "that's not what I said".

I don't think introducing circumstantial possibilities are necessary, because I feel my reasoning was fairly direct. If he had other reasons, I'm fairly confident he would have posted them.

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Know this isn't the place OR time, but I just noticed your username.
ilu
owo <3

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I did too, actually.

I loved that book/movie.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Which is making it hard to argue, because I keep accidentally slipping in "roadkill" in reference to him, then realizing that could be horribly misconstrued.

(I know it's actually "car" in the book, but I grew up on the movie so I think in its terms.)

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  That's great, but it wouldn't exactly stand up in court. I'm glad you're confident in your ability to judge what others' responses will be in a given scenario. I'm not, because people aren't all so predictable. He seemed kinda pissed at your attitude (rightly so) to me. If someone's being a dick to me I'm sometimes more inclined to walk away rather than bother. Point is, you don't know. Neither do I. That's why I made no claims of certainty. You did. I called you out on it. End of story.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  VROOM VROOM BEEP BEEP AROOOGA! XD

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Ohhh, I loved them as well. I recently did an analysis paper on the book, otherwise I probably just wouldn't have noticed the name at all.
And a big 'lol' at the roadkill thing. That's silly.

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  "That's silly"
xD
Dear lord.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  And yet you have failed to prove that my claims of certainty were incorrect.

Unless the person being questioned denied it, my logical chain of thought would, in fact, hold up in court. There's a reason lawyers are required to take courses in debate.

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  It is always the place and time for such things. <3

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Apparently that's a difference of opinion; I provided examples of circumstances under which your claims would not be correct. If you don't think they're adequate, there's clearly no more I can say to convince you. Fine, whatever, and etc.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You have provided alternatives, yes. But you have presented absolutely no evidence to suggest they are more correct than the assumption I made, which has some (if not particularly compelling) backing.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Just as an aside: My head hurts from all this meta-arguing. Really. Look at us. Arguing about an argument that's an extension of a different argument.

It boggles the mind.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  And at this point it looks like we're circling around the drain of agreement but apparently unwilling to admit it.

My point, and the one you just repeated, is that neither of our scenarios is necessarily 'more correct' than the other, but at the same time, our arguments to explain Darwin's remarks are exclusive to one-another. If neither of them is 'more correct' than the other, then neither of them can be certain. Isn't that what you were saying, that I 'have failed to prove that [your] claims of certainty were incorrect'?

I'm pretty sure we've both just stated that neither is more correct than the other, and therefore neither can be completely correct being that they're (albeit not diametrically) opposed, and therefore neither is certain.

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  But... but it's fun...

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I've not stated that neither is more certain than the other. Don't put words in my mouth.

Reply to this post
  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I didn't say anything about one being 'more certain' than the other. I'm not saying mine is right. I'm only saying that neither are ENTIRELY certain, which is why I cried out a potential 'straw man!' in the first place, which you denied. That's, but I'm just saying you can't be certain that your interpretation is representative of what Darwin was saying. I think that's reasonable, but you've been defending against it so I've been responding with arguments. Because I can, and I don't want to do this work I have to do.

So, and I take much of this from your quotes:
1) I have provided alternatives to your suggestion
2) My alternatives are valid, but no more valid than your alternatives--> our alternatives are both potentially valid
3) My alternative explanation is opposed to your explanation

Therefore, if either of our explanations is potentially correct, and they are opposed to one-another, neither of them can be certain.

I'll accept that you may have misstated your stance or we've misunderstood eachother's intention tossing all these words around, but not that this doesn't logically follow. 'Cause it does.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  1. True.
2. False.
3. True.

My conclusion has a logical basis and thought process behind it. In addition, it has the denial lack backing it up. Yours do not.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I'm going to say that I grow very tired of this; I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me. This discussion is not helpful in any manner, so I suggest we break it off. And it's about 2AM here and I desperately need sleep.

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  hrududu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Come on, let's get this down to where it displays as one word per line on the sidebar. XD

2 was implicit in your own comments, but more importantly, it's true anyway. Is my explanation possible? Yes. Is yours? Yes. If they're both possible (to any degree-- it doesn't matter if your explanation is more or less likely) then, because they are opposed to one-another, neither can be 100% certain. My explanation is not 100% certain. Your argument is not 100% certain. That is all I'm saying. That's it. I'm actually surprised you're still arguing against that particular point.

I'd be interested to know how you think my conclusion doesn't have a logical basis and thought process behind it anyway, considering I explained my interpretation of Darwin's statement pretty reasonably. You have the lack of denial behind you, fine and good. But I think it's just as likely that, rather than stick around and deny anything (which seems kind of pointless considering your immediate proclamation of 'I love it when I'm right' right after he tried to respond in the first place) he said 'fuck it' and didn't bother.

My point with this, just like with the whole shebang, is that you. can't. be. certain. And when you make judgments not based on 100% certainty, you leave yourself open to criticism. That's why I called out what I saw as a straw man, that's why this whole thing started, that's why I think you ought to be a little more even-handed in your posts if you were interested in an argument actually intended to reach some mutual agreement or understanding rather than goad people on.

It's bedtime soon. I'll revisit tomorrow if the thing's still here. It's been fun.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  But also pull in all the good it does; Specifically, it's use against cancer. it's been proven at many university that the cannabinoids actually physically remove the possibility of mutations in the cells, hence, no more cancer.
Sure it doesn;t work 100%, yet, but it's the best we've had in a long time. There is no cure for cancer. There might be, if more of it was legal.
It's prevention, man.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  It has anti-carcinogenic effects. This does not mean it solves cancer. Additionally, the amount of marijuana to consume before the positive effects are felt is more than enough to cause all of the negative effects.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Meh, everything in moderation, and you'll be fine.
I don't really care; She did something horrible, regardless of what my opinion on it is, legal, or not.
Don't grow the damn shit in your own home and don't be a boisterous prick and you should be fine.

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  *shrugs* I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm just being perceived as one based on my defenses.

Reply to this post
  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Oh no, I wasn't calling you a prick, just there's too many people who smoke ganja as a recreation and are dickheads and really fucking stupid about it.
If we didn't have little fucktards who go all 'gangster' and want their 'blints 'n' hoes', I honestly thing Marijuana wouldn't be such a big deal, not in this day and age.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I did mean 'blunts n' hoes', not blints., but whatever. :x

Reply to this post
  hyenagirl
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Well Socrates, logically speaking, if you talk like a duck and act like a duck, what does that make you? BTW, Your hero died because he molested some boys in public, failed to be even remotely coherent at his trail then drank hemlock. I read the book.

Also, I have a windmill in my beard, so I win the argument. :P

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Go be a part of truth.org and try to ban cigarettes why don't you, guarantee more people have died from cigarettes than marijuana.

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 7 hours ago

  My question is....WHY??

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  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You can make assloads of money growing pot.
Gonna have to say THAT'S why.
:/

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  chrisdragon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Just because you can, doesn't mean you should..

Reply to this post
  flarekitten
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Tell that to the rest of the world

Reply to this post
  leverpuller
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  I don't think so, either. But you asked why, and I gave a possible reason.
*shrug*

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Many people who fall into financial issues and don't resort to growing shit, instead, they keep their chin up and work harder, and don't take this offensively, of course, I just think it seems alot of people use it as the 'easy way out'.
Don't get me wrong, I think it should be legal to make your life how you want to, but in a state where it's such a bitch?
I hope they go easy on you, but I'm glad to see you know you did wrong, that will actually help you all around in court.

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  isadora
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Wtf, reply to a random person, right. Sorry!

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  agreed

Reply to this post
  x-steelfoot-x
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Okay, not digging up my post from the shitstorm above, so I'm leaving a new one.

Talking about several years for an alleged marijuana grow operation? Seriously? I'd think that would be 18 months at the most unless you get an "LOL WAR ON DRUGS" judge.

Then again knowing Florida I guess that's completely possible :<

I have absolutely nothing against ya over this allegation either. Knowing what allegedly happened pisses me off about the ridiculous sentences on drugs more than anything else. Do we really need more people going into prisons for minor shit like weed with a prison population four times the UK's and getting even more crowded? I'd rather see probation and community service over this sort of thing. Save prison for rapists, murderers, gangsters, and such.

I really hope that you're okay :c

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  stryperendzvous
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  <o.O> Aww i wish there was something i could do for you! i am sorry about all this but i read thruogh you have your cat jason has his so thats good! <3 I am sorry about everything though i know you dont want pity

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  personaly, i can maybe understand the frowing shit..

but what i don't get is why the police where dispatched for a suicide attempt.. and foundout there was some domestic abuse going on. WTF MAN.

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  growing*

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  you idioit, you have got to be one of the dumbest people i have ever heard of in my life, growing pot in one of the least drug friendly states... in your house, what the fuck wer eyou thinking, thats like loading a gun and pointing it at your head down a rocky road. I am not a troll, i am not a soap box stander, im just that guy on the side shaking his head, you had it good, hell... i admored your art to a T, i was gonna ask if you could help me learn SAI and my new tablet, but now i have more respect to that little piece of shit clinging to my shoe after walking home, get your shit together, the long arm of the law will choke you dead if you do it again, trust me, ive had a few friends get busted for the same thing here, first and twice were over looked, third, and they went to jail, the youngest was 17, i loved the boy, but after you goto jail, even for a year, you either change, or your scarred for the rest of your life, you better fuckin beg and plea to that judge

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  well said.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  im just soo pissed off because i thought i found someone to look upto, well off, in a good mood, an animal lover, artist, and then i get hit with 47 pot plants and enough weed for a Willie Nelson concert..... i hope she can turn the leaf completely and gain back my respect

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  sielu
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  totally agree, this is what irritates me.
I reallylooked up to her because she was so talented.

Then i worried because of the battery charges..
then i decided i was just irritated at the whole situation and the overall stupidity.

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  I hope you can turn over a leaf and find a gun to shoot yourself with. No one needs, or deserves the kind of "respect" that comes from someone else who makes judgements on a situation they know nothing about outside of a news blurb.

She's better off without a sunday-christian type of "friend" you are.

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  inb4 'Sorry Mom'

I'm just sayin >.>

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  troll, you fail

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Less of a troll, more beating the OP to what she will reply. Scroll up and read her other replies.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  i have, it seems like shes pulling the 'I know better and im shutting down replying with just this because i am perfect' : /
you forgot rule one and rule two

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  lyndane
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I think I speak for everyone here when I say gb2/b/ and gtfo newfag.

Reply to this post
  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  ty <3 ( I was more wordy... but... WHAT THIS PERSON SAID 8|)

Reply to this post
  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  how do I fail?

Because I don't say the exact same things as everyone else?

Because I don't repeat sentiments I don't feel?

Because I'm not following the sheeping crowd of 'Welp, she's an artist I like, she can do no wrong'?


She's responded to at least two 'I am disappoint' comments with 'sorry Mom'. In other words I'm making a joke at the fact that she, as a popufur artist, thought that she could post a journal like this and not have people react in negative ways towards her and why she is (possibly) to be in jail.

Just because I say a single 'fchany' joke doesn't make me a troll anymore than you assuming that I am one (once) makes you an ignorant bitch.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  you are now forever labeled as newfag

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Please, expound, I'd love to hear your opinion on how I can either be 'new' or a 'fag' in any logical way, besides you simply being butthurt bout it ;)

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You've lost, man. Give it up.

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  nick92kid
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  im not really being butt hurt, im just tired, in a state of shock because the person that i look upto turned out to be a drug dealer and i felt like making friendly conversation to someone [im very joking]

Reply to this post
  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  <3? I have a feeling this is something like 'she's a lost cause, give it up' but... <3? lol

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  No, I was talking to Nick, since he's lost really badly.

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Sorry for the ambiguity; I hadn't realized the exact format that FA stacks replies in.

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  gonah
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  no, after the... third or fourth comment (in a back and fourth, or where there are multiple replies to one comment) the comment chain starts to fall apart x.x so this last thing from nick (about how his world is collapsing because an artist he likes is *gasp* human) is to me.

It's a lil broken... but you figure it out eventually @.@

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  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Troll

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't think you understand what a troll is.

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." -Wikipedia

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  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Mhmm.... troll

Reply to this post
  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  zOMFGz GAIZ A TROLLZ CALLIN ME A TROLL WAT DO I DO

Reply to this post
  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  resort to caps lock apparantly

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  mrfinnigan
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Sounds like a fair course of action. Set sail, skipper!

Reply to this post
  kiasha
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  All aboard the coal train, baby!

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  snarkyfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Not all drug dealers are bad bro. It's most defiantly not a reason to stop liking one of your internet friends. Who gives a shit? Lots of people deal weed and lots of people smoke it. At least she didn't have a fucking meth lab. Chill out.

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  icomeanon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  You live and you learn, I suppose.

Hopefully, we''ll see you around in the future, (and hopefully) doing fewer illegal things. Disconnecting from intent and action and legality, you're a good artist (and, i think, a good person overall), and I for one will miss your art.

As such, I hope for the best for you, regardless of whether or not you feel (or the law feels) that you deserve to get off completely free.

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Somewhat typical Real Life Drama + FA Drama Lovin' Trolls = ???? = PROFIT!

But seriously, that shit sucks. I can't really say you didn't have it coming, but don't get me wrong, I still don't think any less of you for this mess. It happens to a lot more people than one thinks. You'd be better off just deleting this journal, cause it'll only stir up more shit onto your boots. Just deal with your commissioners and close ones only for now. They're the ones you need to direct all your attention to at this time. Good luck with the sentencing and shit. Hopefully you won't get nailed to hard by the justice system.



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  neouka
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Posting in epic thread.

Inserting witty comments.

Reply to this post
  ricecake
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Like 'dont drop the soap'?

Reply to this post
  izumikage
 

(No Subject) Posted: 6 hours ago

  Wow. I hope that you're able to get through this. <:/

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You don't just get through felonies.
They pretty much fuck up your entire life.

Reply to this post
  duo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Say goodbye to getting a normal job.
Hello working with other ex con's who will steal all your shit from the break room and be high as a kite every day at work!

well, maybe it wont be to big of a change

Reply to this post
  duo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Get thrown in jail!

Still post on FA!

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  chibitiger
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Your avi made me giggle. x3

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  mineral
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  I can't think of a worse punishment!

Reply to this post
  lixa
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  pretty much this

Reply to this post
  foxydude
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Ignore the assholes, I'll spare you the "it wasn't the right thing to do" crap because you already know that.

Press on, learn from your mistakes, don't lose hope and never stop trying. You are a good person and an amazing artist.

Reply to this post
  doodles
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Welp, I can't pity you, because you did something dumb and got caught. But I'm not completely unsympathetic and hope you don't do hard time for it.

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  rodoxvideo
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You know what? FUCK you.

Yes what they did was incredibly fucking dumb. But did they deserve any of this? ANY OF IT?

American prison is a for-profit nightmare on par with the worst shit the third world has to offer. These kids get to go through that and THEN a permanent, lifetime second-class citizenship that has literally taken over from Jim Crow.

This is an atrocity, and it happens daily. It just so happens to have landed on someone from our little pervert club this time around. That's the only difference.

There's a thread on your own beloved SomethingAwful forums you should probably read IN FULL before you respond to this message:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh.....p;pagenumber=1

Then get your fucking foot out of your fucking mouth. Or don't, because it's not like it's going to even fucking matter.

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  malaka
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Laws are there for a reason. Easy way to not have to deal with second-class citizenship and the whole deal of mistreatment of the jail system is to not go there. Simple as.

Your link is pretty interesting. But at 31, I wouldn't say they were kids. I'd say they were mature adults.

Did they deserve it? Yes.
Are they evil people? No.
Did they know the risks associated with mass production/distribution of weed? Yes.
Were they aware that they could get caught? Yes




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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  I'm pretty sure they called the cops to their own home, for a different reason.
They called the cops while they knew they had this much weed in the house. Growing.

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  crissorca
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  aww, poor innocent weed growers

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I don't know the details, so i'm not going to even try to speculate. I just hope for whatever reason, if you are innocent, that you are able to be found that way. If you are indeed guilty, please take that time to reflect on whatever happened, and work toward the better.

Here's my wishes for you to be safe, wherever you end up.

~Syn

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Did you seriously not even glance through the comments?
Here are the details:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2010/feb.....t/?partner=RSS

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I'm sure there is to much bullshit and drama in these comments for them to find that anymore... :P

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You're probably right.
You seem to be taking this in stride now. I'm glad!

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I get defensive over friends and family, I just smoked a little weed so I've mellowed out now! j/k ;)

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Did you seriously have to respond like that? Whether I read them or not is my choice. Perhaps I wish to respect her privacy and not delve into it like drama loving children.

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Yes, yes I did. Because the facts are there.
There is no privacy when the police report, and articles, are on internet news sites.

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I am sure there still would have been plenty of people who would not have found out for quite a while if at all if the articles had not been spread. Just because they are there doesn't mean everyone will read them or even know about them. Some things are just best left alone and not spread. I think she understands she did something wrong, must you really add to the fire?

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I forgot to add: She made this journal because she wanted attention. It it not hers, or my own fault that it turned int negative attention quickly.
If she wanted privacy. She should not have posted that she had felonies and misdemeanor to a furry art site.

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You can't know that for sure. By the tone of it, she wanted to inform her comissioners. I can't say she is a drama or attention whore, but I can't say she isn't. It still doesn't change the fact that there was no need to fuel the fire.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  "Jason and I have been put in jail." Is not a way to inform commissioners discreetly or privately of the matter at hand.

A more appropriate version would have been:
"I will be unable to finish commissions for a long time, and my bank account is currently frozen and thus I cannot refund. Please try to E-mail or not me and I will give you details on what happened, or note this person who is aware of the situation and can you fill you in for me during my absence"

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  akumademoon
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  No, but it's to the point and no one is going to believe or accept that answer for several years. There really isn't any excuse or lie that can be reasonably made to cover a possible several years.

Again, doesn't excuse the links.

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  You're right it does not excuse them other than people searched for a reason after she posted this journal.
Once again, what I posted was a way to reach out for commissioners to get into contact before they were in jail, and someone there to take them after she had no way of contacting.

Living with other artists than just myself, when one went homeless, they had someone take their commissioners for them, telling them what was going on. All commissioners were happy, and accepting, of this because contact of some sort, and a reason and knowing what was happening, was being held up.

Reply to this post
  kosmikophobia
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Don't try to kill yourself in your pot haven next time.

Just a thought.

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  IAWTP

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  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  This journal should be deleted, to much hate and drama... Fucking furries... :P

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  If it is deleted a thousand screencaps will be brought forward.
You cannot delete the internet.

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  lols

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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I wish I was kidding. Every person will come out to their drama community with a cap, all comments included. xD

Reply to this post
  avinz
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I know, I find that funny... :P

I was just joking about the "fucking furries" thing since I am one, and I know it's not just furries that cause drama - It's human nature... :P

Reply to this post
  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Nah fucking furries will be fucking furries. =P

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  skyboxmonster
 

(why does no one [b]ever[/b] use the Subject line? :idunno:) Posted: 5 hours ago

  My chair squeaks...

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  kialatiagra
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I....i am out of words and have no idea what had happened, if you are innocent, then I hope justice will set you both free, if you are guilty, then I wish you the best and nothing really bad will happen :<

take care. i have a feeling this issue will take a while for you to deal with

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I'm all for the legalization and regulation of marijuana, but not the private cultivation thereof.

It's unfortunate that you guys got busted, and I hope you can come out the same with regard to character if not wiser with regard to the decisions you make once you're free again.

We'll be here waiting for you to get back. <3

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

 
I'm all for the legalization and regulation of marijuana, but not the private cultivation thereof.


That's an interesting viewpoint. What line of reasoning led you to this conclusion?

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Two words: quality control.

If the government authorizes cultivation, they can control the quality from top to bottom, and in most cases undersell the homegrowers with subsidies. They can also cultivate hemp for use as a textile. With such an arrangement, it's properly taxed and actually helps the economy rather than paying to keep drug offenders in jails instead of violent criminals.

The problem with home growers is that they cut the product with excessive filler and add any number of chemicals to enhance the experience, causing allergic reactions and poisoning in certain people and over certain lengths of time.

Keep in mind, I'm not even a casual user. I just take issue with putting pot users in jail when rapists and murderers walk free. I still think it should be up to corporations and businesses to withhold employment to even casual users of marijuana. That's their right and always has been. I also think that with the right balance of laws, our economy would benefit greatly.

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  The problem with home growers is that they cut the product with excessive filler and add any number of chemicals to enhance the experience, causing allergic reactions and poisoning in certain people and over certain lengths of time.

What are your sources for this comment?


Keep in mind, I'm not even a casual user.

...i gathered.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Ever smoked pot laced with something you didn't want? You wouldn't get that with government-controlled pot.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Remember that whole thing with cigarettes?

http://www.pmintl-technical-product.....formation.aspx

Here is a list of chemicals that the government allows to be put into cigarettes that are safe for public consumption.

*cough*

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Honestly? No, never. I'd think that people growing their own grows (if it was legal to do so) would be the least likely to end up cutting their own stuff?

I mean maybe they would cut it with some nachos and cheese. I guess that's not super healthy if you go that route instead of fruit or something.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Hahaha. Yeah, well I ended up having a 6-hour anxiety attack once because the stuff I got ahold of was laced with something. Not saying that was the entirety of my experience, but it was certainly the end of it.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  The list isn't loading for me, but I don't think you'll see PCP or formaldehyde on that list.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Not formaldehyde as such. But is your average homegrower going to have a fucking tank of formaldehyde sitting around?

Meantime, you're legally allowed as a tobacco producer to make cigarettes with up to 2.7% propylene glycol. You know. Antifreeze.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Propylene Glycol goes into cosmetics and unless I'm mistaken, toothpaste. I'm sure it has "unpleasant" results on the body, hence why I quit smoking cigarettes and wouldn't smoke even well-regulated pot. However, some regulation is definitely better than no regulation.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

 
However, some regulation is definitely better than no regulation.


Yes, and?

The issue at hand is whether or not growing your own should be legal. You haven't justified your 'no'.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  When pot hits the street with acceptable levels of quality control and free of other illegal additives like PCP, I'd be fine with homegrowers.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  I suggest taking a trip to Vancouver or California.

Hell, I live a couple hours from the Mexico border and I rarely if ever hear of laced weed.

Could be confirmation-bias, though.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

 
The problem with home growers is that they cut the product with excessive filler and add any number of chemicals to enhance the experience, causing allergic reactions and poisoning in certain people and over certain lengths of time.


This sentence applies equally well to the government-authorized tobacco cigarettes. Just saying.

Anyway, when a drug is legalized, the profitability of cutting the product and using filler generally goes down.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you. The main point is quality control and underselling the homegrowers.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Except your point about "quality control" kind of falls through. There's no incentive to provide low-quality weed if it is legal. It's a plant, you put it in the ground, it grows, you smoke a part of it. It's more work to cut it with shit.

Keeping home-grown weed illegal for economic reasons like "giving homegrowers the finger" doesn't really sit well with me, either.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Isn't that the way it is with tobacco? The problem with allowing homegrowers, especially large ones, is that the tax revenues are lost. There's also no quality control there because you'd still be taking a chance when buying pot from some random guy that it's laced with something that can kill you. Hence the regulation side of it.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  When was the last time you heard of someone getting busted for having a tobacco grow-op?

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Can't say that I have, but as I understand, it's still illegal.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Nope. http://www.ttb.gov/tobacco/faq_answers.shtml

T16: If I grow tobacco, do I need a license or permit from the TTB?

TTB does not license, or require a permit for, growing tobacco. In addition, TTB does not regulate the sale of tobaccos that are not tobacco products. The U.S. Department of Agriculture may regulate the growing and sale of such tobacco. You may find additional information from the U.S. Farm Service Agency.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Huh, well you learn something new every day, don't you?

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Two words: quality control.

you have no idea what you're talking about

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  all of the medical marijuana I've gotten in the year I've had a license has come from home cultivators-- it just so happens that they sell to the clubs

so, no, you're wrong

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I'm not referring to the current state of things. I'm referring to large, efficient grow operations subsidized and quality controlled by the government.

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  no. your initial argument was to say that people should not be allowed to privately cultivate based entirely on the idea of quality control. from the outset, your argument is inherently incorrect by the sheer mountain of evidence that contradicts your entire thesis.

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. completely.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I stand by my argument. Saying that it is wrong does not disprove it.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Conversely, can you justify your argument with facts or evidence?

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Ever had pot laced with something it shouldn't be that you weren't told about? I have, and it wasn't fun.

I'd rather buy from a source that I know is clean, unlaced, and cultivated with attention to detail.

While I'm not saying it's impossible for homegrowers to do that, they usually currently don't. They just grow what they can and slap whatever additives they feel like in it.

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  no, I don't think you understand. there are millions upon millions of people who grow in their own homes and grow some serious quality marijuana. there is an entire group of farmers who live in a place called The Green Triangle who grow infamous quality marijuana. people all around Los Angeles, selling to marijuana clubs, grow out of their own homes and out of their own time.

as a medical patient, I both have the experience and the knowledge to understand what I'm talking about. I know tons and tons of personal growers, I've done my research and seen how they work and am in full understanding of how the DIY marijuana grow-op works. you're speaking from third-hand information you think you've heard about how the marijuana world works.

you can stand by your argument until you turn blue in the face, but your argument is based in factual incorrectness.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  You have... one piece of anecdotal evidence.

Okay.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  And since FA is shitting itself as regards threading, this was in reply to Tagitsune's post. No matter how much it looks like it's in response to Verix's.

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  you are basing your experience off of one time where you don't even know whether you had too much marijuana, whether you misunderstood how the marijuana reacted to your body or if there was actually something mixed in with the marijuana. you are then extrapolating and making the assumption that all growers just slap on "additives" and other such "chemicals" and that this should be regulated because of this one experience where you make assumptions.

you have no idea what you are talking about because you are not an active consumer nor have you actually done any research into what you're talking about-- and it shows.

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I think what Verix is saying (and if so, I'm inclined to agree) is that you mention quality control as being one of the reasons people shouldn't be allowed to grow their own grows. That doesn't make much sense - as if you have control over your own grow you have the most control in whether or not you end up with tainted stuff. People aren't also going to just suddenly go crazy and start lacing their own supply with rat poison before selling it to people. I wager that is a great way to eventually end up in jail and if you have to risk going to jail you might as well do something that has personal gain, like putting on a clown suit and wanking in a public park. At least you'd have the memories while sitting in your cell.




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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Your experience is no different, more, or less valuable than my experience. While certainly I can acknowledge that your experience probably outweighs mine, you're still saying that my information is factually incorrect because of personal experience. Boiled down, your argument is "My E-peen is bigger than yours!"

I will happily consider any paperwork (preferably from accredited universities) that back up your statement.

I will also accept your acknowledgment that there is a good amount of bunk weed out there with nasty shit in it, regardless of the amount of perfectly natural, well-grown bud outweighing it.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Well we're talking about differences in volumes here. Sure, if you wanna grow your own stuff, go ahead. But when you grow it and sell it, I have a problem with that. If it's to become widely available it must be regulated in some way to ensure quality. That's all.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  This is not based on my single experience. I have heard from several people who have gotten ahold of stuff that was either too low in quality or laced with unwanted extras that caused them discomfort.

Fact is, people add all kinds of shit that they shouldn't to pot. End of story.

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  I'm not trying to argue with you here but your evidence that you keep offering up is what's known as hearsay. It's not that I don't think you're just going to go around lying through your teeth on this topic but you are basing your views on an experience you had with pot where you had an anxiety attack. People can and do have anxiety attacks while using regular weed all the time. Even just thinking/worrying about freaking out can make some people freak out when they try it.

So really you saying you had a bad experience and therefore it had to be laced is hearsay. An example of evidence would be if you had pictures/papers you could post here that shows you took your weed to a lab and they tested it and found some horrible anxiety inducing chemical in it.

To cede a point to you I am sure that some shitty weed gets laced - but it'll be laced with water or something harmless to add to the weight. The worst that happens to you is that you get ripped off for paying for weight that really isn't weed. The fact that it is illegal makes unscrupulous people look for ways to cut corners and profit more - such as messing with the weight. But there is no purpose to adding some sort of poison to it. That will get you caught/jailed and you profit in no way from doing it.

But if it was legal for people to grow themselves - it would almost certainly be legal to buy it at licensed pharmacies or stores or whoever would be authorized to sell it as a business. You could always buy from them and let the people who want to grow themselves grow. I don't see the issue here..

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Oh no, it was laced. I found that out after the fact because the buyer asked their grower. Needless to say, I was not pleased.

And you are right, the issue of homegrowers is a minuscule issue in the grand scheme. As long as it gets taxed properly and has proper quality controls, I don't care that much. I still won't use it, but at least people wouldn't be risking their lives if they choose to.

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  the experience part isn't the important part of my argument. the important part of my argument is the millions of farmers who dedicate themselves to their work in order to grow quality marijuana.

by the sheer fact that these people exist, your argument falls to the wayside. that's my evidence for now because that's all I need to counter your argument. you say "people shouldn't privately cultivate because quality control"-- my argument is "I disagree, there are tons of people who privately cultivate and sell and the quality is just fine." if you'd like a more factual argument of "quality," I will define "quality" as "high THC levels with low toxins." there was a study that I unfortunately cannot find the link to (because it's mostly buried in a bunch of crap about "THE TRUTH ABOUT MARIJUANA" and my google-fu is shit) that showed that the amount of THC found in marijuana has increased over time. so if you don't believe me, you're welcome to go find the study, because I currently can't. I'd love to be proven wrong if you do wind up finding it and it says the opposite, though.

I'll gladly take you to task with more evidence when you counter this argument, because that's all I really need to say right now-- you've provided no evidence, I've provided two parts, one of which (the amount of farmers producing medical-grade marijuana) can absolutely be backed up. I'm not wagging my e-peen, I'm defending my medicine because you're talking shit on it without knowing what you're talking about. and when you're talking shit on a medicine that has helped improve my quality of life ten fold I take it REALLY fucking personal.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

 
Fact is, people add all kinds of shit that they shouldn't to pot. End of story.

Fact is, making it illegal to grow at home won't help that situation a goddamn bit.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

 
Fact is, people add all kinds of shit that they shouldn't to pot. End of story.

Fact is, making it illegal to grow at home won't help that situation a goddamn bit.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Congratulations, your E-peen is HUGE!

In all seriousness though, what I'm talking about is more or less specific to this instance. The amount that was grown was very clearly intended for distribution and that's what I take task with.

If some entity (I honestly care not which or who) wants to step up to the plate, tax and regulate the stuff, and make sure there are acceptable levels of quality, I don't care who grows it. That has not happened, however, so in the meantime homegrowing should remain illegal.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Actually it will. Again, we get back to whether or not there is adequate quality control. As things are now, there is not.

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  raini
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  (Er... I phrased a tidbit wrong. I meant to say 'It's not that I think you're just going to go around' etc etc.)

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  if we're going to go the anecdotal evidence route, I'll have you know that i've heard of exactly one person getting laced weed over the past 5 years. You know what they did? Found a new dealer.

Not really a problem that requires government intervention.

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  nice evidence bro

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Ok, sure. Let's throw quality control out the window since we'll assume that everyone is basically good (which to be honest I agree with for the most part). Let's also assume that people who taint their product will lose customers since theoretically there would be no shortage of suppliers.

That leaves the issue of taxation. Who will tax the sale of it? Somebody's got to or there's no point in legalizing it in the first place.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  Are you that seriously logically deficient?

This is isomorphic to the situation we have right now with tobacco. There's government mandated quality control. Homegrowing is not illegal. People who produced homegrown tainted tobacco would lose customers, because there is no shortage of legal suppliers. The government taxes it.

Bing! Your argument is shot through with holes. Now the question is whether or not you still think you're right.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

  When's the last time you bought homegrown tobacco, or would if given the opportunity?

Barring the taxation of marijuana, you'd have to change the entire tax structure to gain the tax revenues that would come from a well-regulated legalized marijuana source.

My stance is that unless it helps the economy with tax income (since it is, after all, a product) it serves no purpose.

I don't need it. Nobody else (except those with justifiable medical reasons) needs it. We could be growing food instead of it. So unless it can be regulated and taxed, why grow it?

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

 
When's the last time you bought homegrown tobacco, or would if given the opportunity?

I don't smoke 8)
Barring the taxation of marijuana, you'd have to change the entire tax structure to gain the tax revenues that would come from a well-regulated legalized marijuana source.

That's kind of putting the horse before the cart, isn't it?
My stance is that unless it helps the economy with tax income (since it is, after all, a product) it serves no purpose.

I don't need it. Nobody else (except those with justifiable medical reasons) needs it. We could be growing food instead of it. So unless it can be regulated and taxed, why grow it?

Yep, you're seriously reaching.

We already have legalized and government-regulated drug (alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, fluoxetine, diphenhydramine) production. There's no reason that cannot be expanded to include "cannabis".

I'm amazed at the mental contortions you need to go through in order to look down upon these people.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 3 hours ago

 
I don't smoke 8)

I asked if you would buy home-grown tobacco if given the opportunity.

That's kind of putting the horse before the cart, isn't it?

I agree. The tax revenue has to come from somewhere, though.

We already have legalized and government-regulated drug (alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, fluoxetine, diphenhydramine) production. There's no reason that cannot be expanded to include "cannabis".

I agree completely. Hence my original argument for legalization and government regulation.

I'm amazed at the mental contortions you need to go through in order to look down upon these people.

Your words, not mine. As it pertains to this specific situation, growing is illegal, and they got busted growing. Open and shut case. I don't think from a high-level view, however, that it should be illegal.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

 
I don't think from a high-level view, however, that it should be illegal.

I'm all for the legalization and regulation of marijuana, but not the private cultivation thereof.


It would appear that your axioms contain the premise "p = !p".

For what it's worth, I would probably try home-grown tobacco.

(I've even had my own home-made beer without going blind!)

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

 
I don't think from a high-level view, however, that it (marijuana) should be illegal.


I'm all for the legalization and regulation of marijuana, but not the private cultivation (with intent to distribute for profit) thereof.


There, that better?

Sure, I'd be happy to smoke homegrown pot if I smoked pot, if I trusted the source, if it were a gift and not for profit, if it were legal, and if it wouldn't threaten my employment. That's a lot of ifs that haven't been met yet, so in the meantime I'm content to theorize about and vote based on my opinions.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Let me isomorphize your argument a little further:

Sure, I'd be happy to hire illegal immigrants if I were in the country illegally, if I trusted the Coyote, if they were cheap labor and not for profit, if it were legal, and if it wouldn't threaten my employment. That's a lot of ifs that haven't been met yet, so in the meantime I'm content to theorize about and vote based on my opinions.

Offhand, how would homegrown pot affect your employment? The only way I could really see that is if you were in the... homegrown pot business.


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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  Smoking pot from any source and in any form would affect my employment. I was just illustrating what it would take for me to smoke homegrown pot, so I suppose employment is a red herring if we're talking about pot in a generic sense.

Also, illegal immigrants are not pot, and that's how how I feel about them.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

 
Smoking pot from any source and in any form would affect my employment. I was just illustrating what it would take for me to smoke homegrown pot, so I suppose employment is a red herring if we're talking about pot in a generic sense.

Okay. That's a rather weak and extremely tangential argument for a blanket ban on the home growth of marijuana.

For what it's worth, if you show up to work completely fucking trashed on your home-brewed beer, that would also be a threat to your employment.

Are you making the logical jumps here, or are you still convinced you're right? (this is another one of those p and not p situations)

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  I still feel that if pot is to be legalized, it should be regulated, taxed, and have quality control. If you perceive that as a logical jump, that's your business.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  That doesn't address why it should be illegal to grow it at home.

Alcohol is legal, regulated, taxed, has quality control, and is legal to grow at home.
Tobacco is legal, regulated, taxed, has quality control, and is legal to grow at home.

How can you say "Cannabis should be legal, regulated, taxed, have quality control, and be illegal to grow at home" and not have a problem with alcohol and tobacco?

Or are you going to go around pushing for laws to make it illegal to home-fermentyeast and home-grow a(nother) plant?

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

 
I'm all for the legalization and regulation of marijuana, but not the private cultivation (with intent to distribute for profit) thereof.


I don't have a problem with growing it at home if it's for personal use or to share for free. If it's sold for money, it needs to be regulated, taxed, and quality controlled.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Okay.

That's a much more reasonable position to claim to hold. Maybe next time you can make your intermediate arguments a little more well-thought-out.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  To be fair, I replied with that statement several responses ago. In any case, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the most articulate at times.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  I continued with the argument so I could see if you had any justification for your position. I'm still not sure you do, just that you've sufficiently moved the goalposts around enough so you've palliated everything.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Well truth be told, there isn't any justification needed for opinions. You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you.

Now if we were debating this in the senate or something, I'd naturally have better prepared arguments and paperwork to back them up.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

 
Well truth be told, there isn't any justification needed for opinions. You asked for my opinion and I gave it to you.

I have a habit of (and I would argue, training in) digging deeper into behavior that I perceive as inconsistent. :)
Now if we were debating this in the senate or something, I'd naturally have better prepared arguments and paperwork to back them up.

Similarly, I try always to be prepared to defend my opinions.

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  taigitsune
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Well frankly I've devoted far more of my work time to this than I should have, so suffice it to say my arguments may not be the best, but they're the best that are justified in this forum and format.

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  dragon695
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  Might want to loosen Jason up anally, since he'll probably take it up the ass a few times before he gets out.

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  jude--prudence
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  You godless sick fuck.

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  traven
 

(No Subject) Posted: 5 hours ago

  I'm with the guy up above that said that people that distribute and manufacture/grow drugs deserve what they get.

Hope you learn something in jail.

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  verix
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  I agree, the alcohol industry has killed hundreds and millions of people over the years and spawned vast criminal enterprises. everyone behind these sorts of operations should be put behind bars for life. it's good to see we're on the same page here.

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  veekahr
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  This is hilarious.
You can't say you didn't have it coming.

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  malaka
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  It is thoroughly. That many plants, its obvious its for dealing.

Moreso the people defending them. Oh wah, the privacy! Its on the damn news.

I'm all for pot. But I'm against stupidity. Grow it for yourself. Not half of the state :V

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  [quote=I'm all for pot. But I'm against stupidity. Grow it for yourself. Not half of the state :V[/quote]

Let's conveniently forget the fact that legalization would likely lessen the incentive to grow large crops.

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  malaka
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  A moot point. Pot isn't legal everywhere yet. You can blame it on the fact that its not legalized.. but they had 43 plants. Hardly for personal use. It costs thousands of thousands of dollars to setup a mass scale hydro setup, so it's obviously been grown to make profit.

Now if it was for personal use, they'd of grown 2 or 3 plants. Low key. Low cost. It'd be a different story.

Again, they knew the risks. They got caught.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Oh, if the situation were different you wouldn't care? What a surprise!

Meantime, if it were legalized, they could have just been starting a business that would take in capital, which the government would then have the right to tax as income. That's my world.

In your world, 4 felony counts is justified punishment for the crime of growing a plant, FYGM.

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  mineral
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  All I see while looking through your responses is grasping at straws in an attempt to come across a viable counter point.

Arguing an alternative view is fine, acting a dipshit because you don't understand how drug legalisation works is asking for people to take the piss out of you.

Give it up, buddy.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

 
All I see while looking through your responses is grasping at straws in an attempt to come across a viable counter point.

I see. Did you read the other side of the argument, too?

Arguing an alternative view is fine, acting a dipshit because you don't understand how drug legalisation works is asking for people to take the piss out of you.

Please, feel free to tell me how I erred. I am not ineducable.

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  mineral
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  If it isn't blindingly obvious from the comments of people who've already replied to your comments, I don't think any highlighting on my part will do anything other than waste keystrokes...

...Keystrokes which could be used to play the new STALKER game.

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  malaka
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Still moot point.

When they were arrested for it, It was illegal. No "Oh in a perfect world if it was legal it wouldn't matter" the fact is it isn't. I'd love cannabis to be legal, I'd grow it myself if it was. But again, I know it isn't and every time I light up I -KNOW- I could be caught.

don't hold your breath for legalized cannabis in America (Or most places). Medicinal is it for now.

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  pi
 

(No Subject) Posted: a few minutes ago

  Out of three people who have replied to me, one (who started off saying "it should be illegal to home grow because once i got laced weed") found a better way to phrase his viewpoint, another (who would grow weed in a world where it is legalized) is all but saying "hur hur i'm smart enough not to get caught" and the last (who apparently knows a lot about how drug legislation works) is going to play a video game.

Yep, you've certainly convinced me that those 4 counts of felony home gardening are justified! (this is sarcasm)

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  snarkyfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Man, sucks you guys are going to jail, but when you're growing weed in your house... Don't call the cops. I'm all for people growing bud, but that was the stupid part. Not the growing, but the calling the cops to your house. BAD IDEA MAN! Terrible idea even! Shit...

The people who are hating on weed need to just chill. She was growing weed in her house. Big deal. Tons of people do it. It wasn't a meth lab. She wasn't selling heroin. It was JUST pot. Like, if you're freaking out about that then you need to see some of the more fucked up shit that goes on, because dealing weed is not a big deal at all.

Sucks you got caught OP. I feel for you to a degree. I bet you're scared as hell.

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  essexninetails
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  SERIOUSLY.... to everyone judging her GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF... there's not a damn person here who has not made a mistake ...... GET A LIFE and get out of hers... She has to deal with the consequences not you. So unless you have never did something wrong, ignorant, or stupid FUCK OFF!

My prayers are for you though Anja, take care of yourself, do what you got to do and get back, ignore the self righteous pricks and keep your head up

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  rabbitfangs
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  Take care Ajna, I wish you the best! Bad things happen to good people too often!

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  tufts
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  i would be very shocked if you wernt found guilty on those charges.

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  charizardlover
 

(No Subject) Posted: 4 hours ago

  i dont think i know you but my prayers go out to you and i hope for the best sweetheart

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  deviantookami
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  1 felony ah ah ah...2 felonies ah ah ah...3 felonies ah ah ah...4 felonies ah ah ah...

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  dreadfox
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  don't die okay

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  mineral
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  I think the prison rape is a much bigger concern. At least if you go in there for murder, the other inmates have a reason to avoid starting trouble with you.

Going in for growing weed is effectively a 'your cock here' sign for Jason's butt.

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  baracudaboy
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  ONE MORE fucking reason weed should be legalized.
*face palms and hugs*
I wish you guys the best.

Wish you guys lived up here, most of the cops are super chill, I've smoked pot with a couple off duty.
But yeah, thats harsh man. :( Hope you guys get out and find a nicer place to live when its all over.

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  vfrcdexswzaq
 

(No Subject) Posted: 2 hours ago

  >possession of drug paraphernalia.
What the fuck am i reading.jpg.tiff.kext ?
No, seriously. What are drug paraphenalia? Bongs? Papers to roll a joint? And since when possesion of these items is considered a crime?
Somebody please anwser because i think i didn'y understand that.


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  zippiner
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  When they swab it and find out it has been used for drugs.

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  vfrcdexswzaq
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  On that very assumption, you'd must put pretty much everyone in jail. You know, AFAIR, traces of cocaine or whatever that drug is called on banknotes?
That's what i hate about journalism. Sometimes things that should be mentioned aren't.

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  vfrcdexswzaq
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  And also, something that just came into my mind.
Let's say that the charge was that the person drove a car into a person with full intent of killing him.
The last sentence in aforementioned article should be, in your POV, "and charged for possesing a car and a canister of petrol in their garage".

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  checksource
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Have fun rotting in prison bitch.

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  vfrcdexswzaq
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Oooooh, a living saint!

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  armorine
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  It's like from an episode of COPS.

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  shyboy
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  at first when i read this post i wished for the best sounded like it wasn't your fault. then when you hide the facts about the entire thing that you were growing and selling weed and almost killed each other im kinda of glad you will do some time so you guys learn there are laws for a reason

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  kaarlo
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  Best dialogue that I have read, thank you mrfinnigan and hrududu
and on the topic of the weed thing... well call me aulde fashioned, but I hope it stays illegal
Just because I can hope it'll stay like that. There's no medical papers behind me, no debates on weed being good or bad. It's just my personal opinion
I make do with alcohol and an occasional cigarrette, sure, both cause problems but I hardly care, life is meant to be lived afterall

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  vfrcdexswzaq
 

(No Subject) Posted: an hour ago

  So, if somebody wants to smoke weed, you'll say no because he can't enjoy himself, or if he wants to die, you'd forbid him? Or, if for someone life is meant to be lived by smoking weed, it means his definition is wrong?
What are you, a do-good socialist?

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  kaarlo
 

(No Subject) Posted: half-an-hour ago

  haha, do-good socialist
what am I?
Uncaring prick, that's what I am. I find my "buzz" from the local store, too bad not everyone can, why should I lose my sleep over it, I do not know.
Calling me socialist is just plain idiotic, I'm a class act working man, sure, since I work so that I can freely enjoy my leisure time to the fullest.
As I stated earlier, I truly do NOT care if it's legal or illegal, it's illegal now, why change?

Same style of argument could be used to ask that "why do people smoke weed, why not use alcohol, it be a drug too!"


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  kaarlo
 

(No Subject) Posted: half-an-hour ago

  plus I'm heading to evening shift so sorry for failing as a debate partner

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  vfrcdexswzaq
 

(No Subject) Posted: half-an-hour ago

  Don't worry, you have plenty of time. i'm patient.
Also, if you are not-care-at-all prick, as you said about yourself, then why do you want it to stay the way it is? You said you work to spend your leisure time to the fullest (as i do, but that's just beyond the topic), but at the same time you forbid others to do the same. I've called You socialist because you want others to think like you do, not because you work or not.

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  lysanderxx
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  Luck be with you, Ajna.

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  abigalerose
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  Oh wow...just....

WOW...really?

This journal...the subject...the links...the flame wars...

Just...WOW...

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  yaoivixenboi
 

(No Subject) Posted: 15 minutes ago

  Only because I don't want to flood your journal with another thousand comments telling the soapbox goody-two-shoe holier than thou priesty wannabes that keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over......

Fuck off 'tards. Like you've never broken a law before.
I killed someone and enjoyed it while I was in Iraq. I'm so evil, curse me and the world I grew up in, oh boo hoo woe is me.

Ajna, you have my support, I liked you because of the art you did for me and my wife, I enjoyed watching your streams, and I wish you the best of luck *the don't drop the soap joke still stands though*.
I wish Jason the best and really do hope that his history of being crime free has at least a little standing in the judge's opinion.

You don't need the people that are turning their backs on your or, "you've lost their respect" or you've fallen from grace in their eyes. They come to japan knock on my door and get my size 12 combat boot in their ass. I may be medically retired, but I guarantee I could and would break most of those basement dwelling fucks in half.

To all that are going to respond to this as the start of a flame war, don't bother, if I see a comment in "response" to this journal on my notifications, I'm not going to read them I'm going to delete the notification. So yell at your mother's basement wall for all the response you'll get in return.

Good luck Ajna.

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